Part II Owner's Comments (AFTER meeting adjournment, of course) This is not a strict transcription, but it is a very close one/
Owner 1: Why is the fountain down again put new bearings and Elctc what is Stwd doing?
Chap: the pump has been taken apart and tested extensively in and out of the water and tested at the shop and fails intermittently and that cause of failure has not yet been identified but it has been verified by the vendor who was told not to bring it back until it worked. They don't want to come to you with another answer and tell you it's working when it's not.
Owner 2: I understand the new budget is for 2017-2018 and that the SBA loan will be paid off in 2016. If that is the case, then the budget increase and assessments is $40. Am I right or wrong!
Toneesha: The budget is 2016-2017
Owner 3: We were discussing lighting in the parking lot and discussion of that issue started when we had an accident out in the parking lot which resulted in a fatality. Somebody from the insurance company who I went out with did a tour of the parking lot. At that time, the insurance company was insisting that we put in new lighting in but I don't know if we have the same insurance company or if that got dropped. The lighting was on
this side of the parking lot where the accident happened --that's where they wanted the lighting...
No comment from Board
Owner 4: Back on the comments from Jry Sln about having comments from the floor and being interactive a little bit--I'd like some of the old ways. Since we changed that, the impression that I got was people made comments out here after the meeting and the board turned itself off and never reacted to anybodies statement out here and like they turn themselves off. So I liked it before when comments were made and if the board could answer something, they did. Also if we could get Stv's (Suthrd's) article for the board to read and put on the Internet and maybe on CHUG and that would be nice so we could all see it and not just the board. Also the proposed budget could go on the website as well and since you've already passed it we should be able to get a copy at the office I assume.
No comment from Board
Owner 5: I had several issues to address but I won't take the time to get to them all. I would suggest to the board that-legally-you probably already allow audience participation by the allowance of clapping--the allowance of the booing--by allowance of voices of affirmation. So I'm just asking that you consider that as a board when you consider opening up questions and involvement by other parties. Because I think it's important that you have input and I don't think you're getting that right now.
A major issue is wheelchair accessibility in the park. I know that you've gone to an extent to try to make most things accessible but I think the people that are doing that are not in wheelchairs and don't know what's accessible and what's not. They just do it by what they think. I would submit to you that you have three board vacancies coming up. I can't even get there up there on the St age, so that is something I would ask you to consider that you make that St age accessible. Other areas, and I won't be able to cover them all, but the pool when Marilyn was manager (I believe that was her name) I had talked to her on several occasions asking her to redo the pool while they were rebuilding the sauna area to make them wheelchair accessible. Her answer to me was "we don't have to". I suggest you read the American with Disabilities Act as that may set you up for a major lawsuit if these things are not accomplished. Now I know there are some local grounds that may hold up but this is a Federal statute that takes precedence over any state or local law. The swimming pool, the sauna, the whirlpool are all not accessible. The post office I can get into but not without banging up the door and possibly harming myself. You have two yellow posts in front of the walkway into the post office boxes. It's at the area where people usually set up a table and sell raffle tickets and meal tickets and things like that. Those posts block easy passage of wheelchairs and the sidewalk leading up to those posts is way too Sm all and I've got stuck there more than once. The dock- it's a great dock- part of it is wheelchair accessible but you got seats literally welded to the dock and that leaves about 4 inches (I didn't measure) and that leaves 4 to 6 inches to get by. I didn't even attempt it. Those seats could easily have been moved back just to allow access what it does is cut off a third of the outer walkway..
Jnsn interrupts and says I think what you're saying is is we need to take a look into our whole facility and we need to go into each of those areas and I think that you're right that is something that we should be aware of and we appreciate you bringing it up because it is something we should be talking about and possibly doing something about.
Owner: If you need my assistance I am ready and willing to help you out. I am not going to demand that you fix every single thing-we don't need to do that to our park. But we need to be safe I spend a lot of money as does everyone else the difference is I am not able to utilize those facilities. Marilyn told me "well, there's a lot of people that don't use that stuff"..
Jnsn interrupts and says I'm sorry we're going to have to limit you to 3 min, let's keep it to three minutes if we possibly can I really appreciate
Owner 6: Look at all the people up here asking questions. We got a great board but we are starting to have communications problems. We used to have workshops and a lot of questions were answered in those workshops. Now, we don't have them and since we can't talk during the meeting when a motion is discussed and passed, please elaborate a little bit more so people know what the board has decided to spend money for.
Secondly, we can have a yard sale in here anytime we want to there's nothing that says we can't. I have yard sales- other people have yard sales at their home on their own property all the time.
Blkbrn interrupts and says I think we were talking about community wide, organized sale
Owner: Yeah I got to go back to the fountain again. How much have we spent on this thing month to date and year to date. Is it is a tremendous amount of money or what's going on?
Chap: The initial cost agreed by the board is all that's being spent and they are coming out at their own expense and we are not paying for any of that.
Times I feel when we get up here after the meeting is adjourned and we asked for something or discuss something it falls on deaf ears. I asked last meeting for the board to take under consideration and talked with three board members afterwards. I have not heard anything. I asked that we be allowed to pay our quarterly assessments monthly. It hurts nobody and once it's set up it's done. I didn't hear a word mentioned about it.
Jnsn interrupts: You mean you talked to two or three people but not at the microphone?
Owner: I talked about it at the last meeting and requested that the board take it under consideration.
Toneesha answers: You know the assessments are collected in advance and not collected in arrears. There is already one or two people what they do is they make the initial quarterly payment and they pay monthly thereafter so we need to understand if you are talking about in arrears or in advance. It would need approval of the board so to be clear are you saying that you would pay one quarter in advance and then pay monthly thereafter? Owner answers yes. Toneesha says now that she understands the question she will advise the board and will have an answer next month.
Owner: OK I'll get going
One more thing I'll ask of Chap: Chap I asked you about a month ago about a problem I'm having with the lot next to my house where we have all the steppingstones. Golf carts are in there running around and they break edges off the pavers. It takes very little time to put up for five poles with some chains.
Chap: he already talked to Jhn about that ...
Owner interrupts and said he asked Jhn yesterday and he knew nothing about it and doesn't have a work order on. The tree that was taken off the lot next to my house will that stump be removed?
Chap said he would have to look into that. I already had an issue with that tree I had it taken down because it was such an issue in the past with maintenance and issues that you brought out that have been addressed before so I had it taken down. I should not have done that. I should've talked to the board more. So yeah, I will talk to the board and follow up on that and get an answer for you there's two ways to word that it was either taken down or drastically proved which ever you want to say
Owner 7: All the shrubbery in this resort was paid for by the Garden Club now that we don't have a Garden Club and I don't have money. the resort should pay for all the overcoating needed to keep it in top shape because there's a lot of money there. I don't think our people can do it. I did mine at my house and it does not shine like it should and it needs to be protected and if you have -----people do it that should last for 2 to 3 years so I think we're wasting our money by our people doing it.
Owner 8: I got one question and you can either answer or tell me to go to hell. How much money did it cost when these three ladies sued us and now our insurance is going way up there? How much did this cost us?
Suthrd replies the settlement from the mediation the insurance company paid we did not pay we got a lot of legal fees but I can't give you a figure of the top of my head on the legal fees that would be the expense that it cost the resort. The second part of that of that cost is in this coming budget it's going to cost us a huge amount for an increase in insurance. We were declined by by the company that has carried us before. We had to look and look and look and finally found Insurance coverage.
One of the things that's involved with the new carrier is $75,000 deductible if we are sued and if that happens, the only way that could be paid is by special assessment. It's ridiculous the insurance company did not pay S u e Tg anything they paid the attorney fees they paid $1200 and some dollars to the ladies on 66 silversides for attorneys fees that they paid to a lawyer other than Frd O'N eel (Attny). That's all that was spent. The resort did not spend money on that but the legal fees we spent a lot on and will spend a lot more.
Owner 9: The back wall of the recreation H all: I think that encroaches on the south part of the--- is there something that we need to know? What's going to happen with the shuffleboard club roomwhere all the discs and bats are kept? What's going to happen to that wall?
Jnsn: Yes it's my understanding that they are working from the inside out initially they are going to deal with the counters from the washrooms out but that was never considered. We were never aware of the issues that that wall is an extension of the shuffleboard office.
Owner: If they're going to tear it down we need to make some plans.
Jnsn: There's no plans to tear down at this point there's no plans to tear down anything.
Owner: The second part is to Blingz. I remember at the meeting hearing that you were going to repair the courts that we have now. Is there something I missed?
Blingz: That was something we discussed-- two or three of us at a time of course-- about what can we do. We certainly can't come up with $150,000 we don't have that. While we can't replace and do you what we'd like to do, we can at least make it playable for the time it takes to accumulate the money.
Owner: I think that five years ago we spent $8000 on it trying to fix one court and the next year it was just as bad or worse because it was cracked and you can't fix the cracks. All you can do is look at the paving job we have in the streets-- the cracks we had before are back now. If we just mask over the top, we are just throwing money away-a temporary bandage solution.
Blingz: The cracks might not affect the play that much but I guess that's what we were thinking that something very temporary could be done to make it work for the short term.
Owner: In the last five years they've had three or four holes underneath the courts from the existing drainage ditch that wasn't glued together in the first place and now big holes are underneath and sunk down the courts
Blingz says that it's like wanting a car you want the shiny brand-new one but you can't afford it so all you can buy as a starter and a carburator; you can only fix to get it through day by day year-by-year until you can go out and get that new car.
Owner: In my opinion the board is just throwing money away if it starts plugging $10,000 a year ...
Blingz interrupts: No one intends to put that kind of money into it
Owner: I hope the board will ask the shuffleboard club for some input just like you should ask people who use wheelchairs for advice on wheelchair accessibility
Owner 10: The insurance premium increases by the insurance companies-- I think you can blame a lot of that on the Board of Directors.
<At this point there is extended and maniacal screeching laughter-it was eerie to listen to this on the audio>
Owner: You laugh but you caused frivolous lawsuits and you were told that you couldn't win. You could have dropped it; you could not win and you said
We must win! We can't let these people win!" So it's not about using common sense or doing the right thing. You have a "We can't let them win" thinking.
The other thing is the sale/lease agreement with KCNET. That that was all done behind closed doors. There was no open discussion. Not one person in here had a vote on that. We had two people that put the application in to the county; one was the president of the board who had to step down because of conflict of interest because he is involved with Robber berns Stab,who by the way, does not own the company. The company is in his wife's name and Robber berns stab is on the application.
Board: what is the question?
Owner: the question is you're sitting up there pompous. You're a lot of the reason we are having to change insurance companies...
Board attempts to cut him off and audience becomes unruly. Board has lost control.
Owner: says NO you're not going to cut me off. We had a line item budget with Kay c Networks and I don't see that on the current financial report anymore. Where did that money go? Stv !!
Toneesha: I do the accounting and I have no idea what you're talking about
Owner: that's the problem. And one more thing: the reason you close the meeting before owners speak is because you don't want it on the official record you don't want anything embarrassing to come out that you don't want on the official record. That's why you only allow comments after the meeting adjourned.
Board President mollies group and attempts to regain control of meeting
Owner 11: Comments on two issues. First the new board website: I noticed some people shaking their heads on the $59.95 amount that was mentioned and they may think that is per a lot but it's not it's just 59.95 a month out of the communication budget. Second I think there's an opportunity for savings here one of the things that came out of the workshop about this was the issue that Tummy said each issue of the S-bag's xpress is costing $700 in printing costs. We certainly recognize that not everyone here is on the Internet but just on that one communication option that we could significantly reduce the number of hardcopies being produced at $700 a month versus the website cost of $60 a month. I think it's a great idea.
listerine: We are in no way trying to do away with paper copies but there are a whole lotta people who don't need paper copies and the savings to be accumulated from that. In any case $60 a month is less than a dollar amount per year so the cost of this website is minuscule.
Owner 12: I want to make a comment onboard meetings. I worked for an organization and I've been on volunteer boards and I've never experienced input on issues by spectators during the sequence of the meeting. Having said that, there is an opportunity for more input. I don't understand the decision to have a comments and questions outside of the meeting as opposed to being part of the meeting because once again when I think back, there was an opportunity for discussion as part of the meeting for input from the audience.
Owner 13: It's about the trees every time I turnaround one of our beautiful old trees has been cut down and I'd like to know how you determine when you cut down a tree I see stumps over there by Hrld and two more cutdown up on the trail and all the little baby trees are growing up and we will have more than before you're cutting. You're talking about cutting down a tree to let more light in in the parking lot...
Blkbrn: totally agrees and it pains her when a tree has to come down and she doesn't know what the policy is on the board to cut down trees especially for the people who live here in the summer it makes a big difference in the comfort. As far as the tree that blocks the light, I hope we can reach a decision to trim the tree and keep the tree but if you go there at night it does need some addressing because it has grown a lot and obstructs the light. I think that is why leery did not put that in the motion regarding the lighting because we want to address that issue
Owner: Thank you. The other thing is the heckling when other people are talking It's very hurtful.
<Silence>
Owner 14: This is a subject I mentioned to Chap. I thought it would be appropriate to bring it up to the board. I believe we need a white stripe going down most of the roads not just around corners not only because it will look aesthetically better but one time we were in the Christmas parade and everybody likes to keep their lights off on their golf carts and one cart in front of me ran off the road because they couldn't see the road. Chap said he would take a look at it from a safety standpoint to when you are on the road at night and a golf cart.
Owner 15: I just want to tell you that my stepping down from the board had absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with Kay c Networks and Jm off is a bald-faced liar.
Leave 'em laughing DBag!
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