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Post by B. Bentanoff on Feb 1, 2014 14:28:14 GMT -5
You people making snide comments on this web site are sickos. One person is using you as her puppets and she is feeding you with misinformation for her own satisfaction. I can't believe you let some puppeteer pull your strings and control your life like this. I firmly believe we have one of the best Board of Directors this Resort has seen in a long time. We have had other good Directors that have served on a few past Boards but never a complete Board with total dedication to serving the people of this Resort as this Board does. I wanted to know what the cause of a $25.00/quarter increase in the assessments was for, so I asked one of the Board members. He told me it was because of the $189,000.00 for sewer lateral work. If you do the math and divide 787 lots into that amount you will find that it would be an increase of $240.00 a year for each lot. The reason we only have an increase of $100.00 a year is because the Board adjusted the useful life of some of the reserve items that have recently been completed and reduced some other budget items. It would be foolish to prolong doing the lateral work needed as it would increase the stress on the sewer plant and I don't think the owners would want to do that. If you puppets keep listening to the puppeteer, she is taking you down a road to destroy this Resort or at the very least trying to divide a very strong and united community. Most of the other owners here know the letters being distributed and signed by some of the puppets are coming from one source. That's okay, because we understand your not smart enough to understand that she is using you. That is why you are letting one person lead you around like you have a ring in your nose. The Good Neighbor letter is a good example of outright lies. First, we have restricted proxy’s and are used only to establish a quorum, no one is calling to get your proxy card, they are only calling to ask you to vote and not how or what to vote. What special interest would a Board member have and why? They are owners just like the rest of us and just volunteer their time to do what is right for all of us. I have always heard that people who use foul language, do so because of their lack of a vocabulary. It's a proven fact, that people with a positive attitude live longer and are happier then the ones with negative attitudes. Isn't it great that God gave us a mind to make that choice. I already know you will pick this apart just like you do all the attempts to get the facts out. My only hope is that maybe a few will be able to comprehend what is being said. Please be advised "Most Owners" that you are giving your opinion , that you are indeed NOT speaking for other owners as you claim. Your opinion has no factual basis or you would have provided it , Instead you chose to run on and on about puppets and even found a way to use religion in your ramblings .
You can always spot a hypocrite when they inject some hellfire and brimstone to cover their lack of facts . Nice try, but next time bring something other than what you think.
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Post by I am a Owner Also... on Feb 1, 2014 16:03:13 GMT -5
You people making snide comments on this web site are sickos. One person is using you as her puppets and she is feeding you with misinformation for her own satisfaction. I can't believe you let some puppeteer pull your strings and control your life like this. I firmly believe we have one of the best Board of Directors this Resort has seen in a long time. We have had other good Directors that have served on a few past Boards but never a complete Board with total dedication to serving the people of this Resort as this Board does. I wanted to know what the cause of a $25.00/quarter increase in the assessments was for, so I asked one of the Board members. He told me it was because of the $189,000.00 for sewer lateral work. If you do the math and divide 787 lots into that amount you will find that it would be an increase of $240.00 a year for each lot. The reason we only have an increase of $100.00 a year is because the Board adjusted the useful life of some of the reserve items that have recently been completed and reduced some other budget items. It would be foolish to prolong doing the lateral work needed as it would increase the stress on the sewer plant and I don't think the owners would want to do that. If you puppets keep listening to the puppeteer, she is taking you down a road to destroy this Resort or at the very least trying to divide a very strong and united community. Most of the other owners here know the letters being distributed and signed by some of the puppets are coming from one source. That's okay, because we understand your not smart enough to understand that she is using you. That is why you are letting one person lead you around like you have a ring in your nose. The Good Neighbor letter is a good example of outright lies. First, we have restricted proxy’s and are used only to establish a quorum, no one is calling to get your proxy card, they are only calling to ask you to vote and not how or what to vote. What special interest would a Board member have and why? They are owners just like the rest of us and just volunteer their time to do what is right for all of us. I have always heard that people who use foul language, do so because of their lack of a vocabulary. It's a proven fact, that people with a positive attitude live longer and are happier then the ones with negative attitudes. Isn't it great that God gave us a mind to make that choice. I already know you will pick this apart just like you do all the attempts to get the facts out. My only hope is that maybe a few will be able to comprehend what is being said.
YOU ARE WRONG! I am NOT a puppet. I NEVER have been and NEVER will be. Those who know me know this.
I have stayed out of all this because it's useless to talk to people who won't even give a person the time of day just because I am friends with someone else.
Have you stopped by my door and said Hello? Have you even tried to get to know me? No, you Hayvn't. When I go get my mail, people say, "Hayvn't' seen you lately" Well...you Hayvn't come by, now have you?! You have made assumptions because of who I like to be friends with. Talk about being stupid, there you go! You hate me because of who my friends are - that is what the "Hate mail" I got a year ago said. That hate mail didn't come from any of the "puppets"!!
I have volunteered for several things in SLR and been on the Annex committee. But after what I witnessed one morning at, what I now call, the KKK (Koffee Klutch Klan) Monday meeting. I was done. I want no more. You all can't act like adults. Petty hate mail, yelling and screaming, the nasty name calling within ear shot of that person's loved ones, it's sickening. And I have witnessed it all. "She" is not destroying anything in this community. The nastiness and back stabbing was already here. I saw it when I was at Donald's Bingo and again sitting in the audience at BOD meetings when JH was president. That was long before "she" was even here.
I will NEVER be a puppet, I have a mind and thank my Good Lord, common sense, to actually see problems in SLR that need to be addressed on my own. I have stayed out of ALL of this because I don't need conflict in my life. But yet again I am guilty by association and probably by someone who won't even take the time to get to know me.
If you really wish to actually talk and get to know me, I am usually always home except on Wednesdays. Karen Park - OWNER of 35 Royal Coachman
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Post by BagLady on Feb 1, 2014 16:11:52 GMT -5
@most Owners: I always shudder when people assume they are speaking for the unnamed/unidentified masses and invoke higher powers to support their views. <<shudder-shiver>>
You are quite correct in some of your observations but not very accurate in others. Yes-you correctly identify me--S ue T eague. I help people with letters when asked. I have no idea what this Good Neighbor letter is that you refer to. I have my own lawsuit to launch after the election and am not in the mood to take on any more than that plus administering this Forum and having a pleasant retired life apart from the regrettable problems of S-bag.
When someone asks me to help put a letter together, it is because they (usually a group) are perceiving that I am able to present a point they wish to make in a coherent and well-written manner--not because they want to be controlled any more than I wish to control anyone. Contrary to what you suggest, I am not corralling my minions through mind control to further some evil mission.
Yes, I post a lot on this forum because I accumulate and create content presenting ideas and facts to help people think differently about the serious problems confronting us. I have been immersed in reading documents, statutes, bylaws and covenants since 2010 since being involved in the original forum and NewsHound. Presently, around 100+ Most People are reading daily-over 200 some days---while few are posting and contributing. That will change, in time.
Whether you like it or recognize it, this community is not strong and united. It is in a state of uncomfortable transition and there are many people who are actively involved in the change and are not being led around by the nose by anyone. Why do you think that people in SLR are crash car dummies on an assembly line being given mind control drugs just because they do not think as you do?
To your credit, you did attempt to support the budget increase and your understanding might have some truth in it. Unfortunately, what is also true is that the BOD and has lied so many times that their credibility is always in question and there is no confidence in the absence of written documentation.
I will give you a recent "for instance"; you say the increase in assessment is for sewer repairs--the BOD was requested 6 weeks ago, via a written Official Records Request, to produce the independent Engineering Report with the detailed engineering assessment, recommended fix, extent and locations of line failures and estimated cost of these repairs. The official position by is that this information was given out for bids and is not on hand to produce. There has been no followup for over 6 weeks.
Let me say that another way: gave away the original report to 3rd party bidders over 6 weeks ago and kept no backup for SLohA records and want you to believe that this is true and that this is why they cannot fulfill the records request.
Is it any wonder that there is deep suspicion about anything that MANBOD says? So, while you tried to present a case in support of the budget increase, you failed to seek validation from a BOD that operates in secrecy and lies about everything. You trusted their word and that is called "drinking the koolaid".
If you are a Klapper, how about identifing yourself and having a REAL conversation? Contribute something meaningful instead of posting mindless rants about puppets. By all means, feel free to post-just realize that when you post the kind of thing you just did for your inaugural post, you will be cH allenged to "up your talk game". I look forward to a more thoughtful post in the future and Welcome to the Forum!
S ue T eague, "Your Pinnochio"
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Post by BagLady on Feb 1, 2014 16:19:39 GMT -5
Oh Karen! How I have missed your red-headed passionate posts! S u e
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Post by DB on Feb 2, 2014 13:16:46 GMT -5
I can shed some light on the sewer issue. First of all let me say, I think Most Owners comments were, spot on, with his/her assessment.
Sewer lateral repairs; I can only tell you what I know to date to be correct. The camera work that was performed to get a clear picture of what problems we still have with water leaking into the main sewer was done when the water table was at it's highest point last fall. I sat in on the meeting with the first presentation after that was complete and we watched some of the video documentation. I don't remember the exact number of DVD's that contained all of the video but my guess would be somewhere around 8. Each DVD contains data (pictures) of certain sections or homes that are relative to where they are located. The presentation is put together in a three ring binder with still photos of each spot where problems exist and are cross numbered/matched with areas of the video on each of the DVD's. After seeing the videos there was not any doubt that the repairs were going to have to be made. The first thing we (BOD) needed was a bid to see what it was going to cost. It took the company doing the first bid several weeks to determine a cost. They have to figure how many laterals have to be repaired, how long each one is and what the configuration is. Some go straight from the home to the main sewer, some are connected with the home next door while others maybe connected with multiple homes. Their are so many variables it would be hard to explain them all here and even if I did, I would probable miss something. I hope you get the picture on that.
When the BOD received the first bid we were totally floored. What we thought would come in at around 60k was for 188k+. The book the first company put together was offered to SLohA for a cost of $1,500.00 (or somewhere in that range if I remember correctly). The board felt that was a good investment because without it, when we asked for other bids, each individual contractor would have to do the camera work all over again. That would be a two fold problem, first, it would be very cost redundant, second, the water table has dropped and it would not pick up leaks that are now out of the water table index. So with SLohA owning the book we could send it to other contractors to give us an estimate. I am not totally up to date on the latest findings (this is not my project) but it is my understanding there are two more bids being pursued at this time. I really can't imagine anyone would want to watch all of the videos with water leaking into the laterals and the cameras chasing cockroaches and dealing with root balls but if that is your cup of tea, have at it. There is probably more information on this then I am aware of but it is very time consuming and this is not a hobby for the BOD. To correspond with individual owners wanting information takes time from my golf game and like the other owners here, I'm retired too. If someone has a specific question (not just want to argue) I would be happy to try to give you the most honest answer I know.
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Post by Just so you know... on Feb 2, 2014 15:09:59 GMT -5
The guest known as "D" or "DB" has now crossed posted between 2 topics. This one "Ledger News Chief Article" and "Sewer Leaks"
PLEASE make sure you reply to this "guest" under both topics.
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Post by Admin on Feb 2, 2014 19:15:32 GMT -5
Your Admin did the cross-post as the subject glided from the Ledger article to Sewers. I try to keep related subjects together so info is accessible and no need to jump across different boards.
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