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Post by Guest on Feb 17, 2014 21:44:53 GMT -5
I cant imagine the "free internet" will be available to the office and bod much longer. And the cost would have been over 11 thousand per month to Mr. S from SLohA, that's $141,660 per year for internet and that's still not making up the 15 thousand per month Mr. S claimed to be losing each month . Do the math .
I doubt that even the bod would feel that its worth it for the office to have and pay for the current FREE internet .
The office and bod could however get air cards on a bulk service contract through Radio Shack for around Twelve Hundred per year and even have a contract for a 2 year period and then decide to stick with it or drop it at any time.
I cant understand why saving the Membership over 100 thousand plus dollars a year would be a bad thing. Hell, its like it would be practically FREE compared to what we would have been paying for an obsolete FM signal internet when they could have Digital and almost for pennies a day .
Bottom line, Mr. S and his internet is nothing BUT A LIABILITY , also you wouldn't have to use Firefox with a modern system provider either and the aircard just plugs in and works right out of the box, no towers and no poles and bricks on every house and no need to cut down every large tree that blocks some visitors signal either. just sayin.....
Ps, can a BOD member please tell me I am wrong to think its BAD to pay less for MORE .
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Post by Im Trying on Feb 17, 2014 22:38:32 GMT -5
Hello All, I sure hope Residents Against this BOD's Poll, will attend Weds. Feb. 19 BOD Meeting. It is great that residents post on this SLR Resident Forum. But your voice is really needed at this Wednesday's BOD Meeting. It is a very important Meeting, and your help is much needed. Please go to the Microphone and ask your Questions. We are now out numbered by a 15 to 1 Ratio, and are getting Rude Insults, left and right. So Please Try To Attend, Your Support Is Needed !!! Thanks, ja (16 RC)
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Post by just sayin on Feb 17, 2014 22:47:30 GMT -5
This internet in here is NOT free, and customers have no contract w/ this K c N et guy, so if they don't like the service, or just if they want to they can cancel any time and get another provider for about the same, but at least with a national provider, you will have a contract, oh and they won't call you and tell you to stop down loading movies at 11:30 at night because it's slowing down their system.
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Feb 17, 2014 23:08:31 GMT -5
Hello All, I sure hope Residents Against this BOD's Poll, will attend Weds. Feb. 19 BOD Meeting. It is great that residents post on this SLR Resident Forum. But your voice is really needed at this Wednesday's BOD Meeting. It is a very important Meeting, and your help is much needed. Please go to the Microphone and ask your Questions. We are now out numbered by a 15 to 1 Ratio, and are getting Rude Insults, left and right. So Please Try To Attend, Your Support Is Needed !!! Thanks, ja (16 RC) Tips for those who bully/insult you:
If someone's insulting you, just laugh at them, tell them to grow up and stop acting like a baby-ass, and then laugh at them some more; tell them if that's all they've got they're really sH allow and pathetic.
You need to give them a response they're not expecting; show them you are NOT taking their crap seriously and they will probably go away mad. Then you can tell them: "Don't go away mad, just go grow up."
You could also ask them if their age is their IQ.
What you have to do is embarrass them in one of these ways by getting them to act up in front of others.
You could also offer them a hanky and ask them if this will help stop their sniveling, then laugh at them.
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Feb 17, 2014 23:13:15 GMT -5
Also, I forgot, there is one more: Call the Sheriff's Department and ask for a deputy to come out on what's called a "Civil Stand-By." You can tell them about all the crap going on you've put up with at the meeting recently and other threatening behaviors you've encountered; they have to come out if you request one; after all, that's what we pay taxes for.
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Post by Im Trying on Feb 18, 2014 1:02:27 GMT -5
Thanks for The Tips.... I usually just ignore them, plus being hearing impaired I miss have of their crap. I have had several people approach me after Meetings, telling me how embarrassed they are about senior residents acting so rude to others. They do not like to hear the truth, so they act-out. Again Thanks... A.E.Guest
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Feb 18, 2014 7:41:42 GMT -5
KCNET will have to purchase more bandwidth from Century Tel or service interruptions will become more frequent. I'm just sayin'... I have Sprint Aircard and have had it for 7 years, my computer is online 24/7 and not only does my bill stay the same but I have never once had a "service interruption" , not even when we have a severe Thunder Storm . No bolt of lightning can take my Aircard down .
BTW, I pay for my service out of my own pocket with $ I got the old fashioned way....I earned it . No one subsidizes me AND I can take my laptop in my car and be online from here to Seattle Washington ! If KCNET needs to buy more bandwidth you can bet your bippy that $15 per month will quickly turn into $50 overnight . And for $50 you can get Digital internet with a guarantee of service .
Just sayin.....
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Post by Admin on Feb 18, 2014 7:51:32 GMT -5
I agree with you on this; it is one of the unanticipated consequences that people in here are not thinking about when they vote YES on this fakockta scheme. All people can see is $15/mo. They think there is a free lunch?
The Association becomes the client of K C if an assessment is judicially upheld by a court. Make no mistake; this question will not be allowed to go unanswered. Because, if Owners permit SLohA to do this, there will be no end of service providers who will get in line for an "assessment award"-- checkbooks warmed up to grease the palms of K C, BOD and . Like what happens in Congress--the lobbyists represent the corporations who give them money and "bills" they want Congress to sponsor. The lobbyist goes to the target congressman, gives them gifts and gets the help they need to get the bill into a committee and start the ball rolling. We don't have such an elaborate system, but where there is money, there are vultures around. Our vultures are the BOD who will plunder their own friends and neighbors to benefit themselves and their benefactors.
But back to the hypothetical question-our liability- which is HUGE if we entangle our not-for-profit business with K C's for-profit commercial enterprise. We stand to have to pay out on a contract which does not exist that will contain terms favorable only to its sponsors---K C, the BOD and the Management Company. Is there anyone who thinks that those terms would be favorable to Owners, other than the enticement of a $15/mo loss-leader to get a "majority approval"? Which BOD did not get. (If they can't add simple math, then there really is no hope).
I believe that SLohA stands to lose its favorable tax status as a Not-for-profit corporation by entering into a enterprise with a Member and distributing Association monies to a member. Our governing documents forbid this. This is also prohibited by the Statute that SLohA is organized under--FS617.
Then there are the 1500 other subscribers outside the park. Because of the depth of the Association's business involvement with K C , whose owner is a MEMBER OF SLohA and who SLohA is permitting equipment to be housed on the property, contrary to our own Covenants, AND whose property SLohA is insuring, outside subscribers will look to SLohA as a party to the service provider and WE will be involved in lawsuits from outsiders which owners will have to pay to defend. Not to mention the third party leases to Verizon and other internet service providers whose service requires K C's towers. Add to that the growing suspicion that SLohA may have a financial investment in K C and you have a potential disaster because K C is obviously financially-distressed and will be unable to re-capitalize the business in the event of technology changes, an accident involving one of its towers on another person's property, seasonal destructive storms, or any natural or man-made casualty which causes an extended service interruption or harm to people or property. (K C has several off-property towers; one of its towers on the property immediately adjacent to where I take my dog to be groomed--it is on Lightner Knot near Walk-in-Water.)
I agree with you wholeheartedly; this has future disaster for SLohA written all over it. Owners already have serious continuing and expensive problems with our wastewater plant which is going to consume significant resources and deplete our Reserves over the next several years. We still have an SBA loan to pay and all our collateral is already pledged to it. We don't have anything left to secure a loan with (except the new annex). Some bad lawsuits will wipe SLohA out and into receivorship. I fear there is some serious fear and greed driving SLohA to the brink.
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Post by Eyes Wide Shut on Feb 18, 2014 8:08:14 GMT -5
Hey wait just a minute ! My rose colored glasses aren't working anymore , can the BOD purchase new ones for everyone ?
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Feb 18, 2014 10:49:18 GMT -5
Thanks for The Tips.... I usually just ignore them, plus being hearing impaired I miss have of their crap. I have had several people approach me after Meetings, telling me how embarrassed they are about senior residents acting so rude to others. They do not like to hear the truth, so they act-out. Again Thanks... A.E.Guest I forgot about just one more...you can tell them "Jesus loves you!" It catches them off-guard every time and should diffuse any situation!
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Feb 18, 2014 10:58:19 GMT -5
I agree with you on this; it is one of the unanticipated consequences that people in here are not thinking about when they vote YES on this fakockta scheme. All people can see is $15/mo. They think there is a free lunch? The Association becomes the client of K C if an assessment is judicially upheld by a court. Make no mistake; this question will not be allowed to go unanswered. Because, if Owners permit SLohA to do this, there will be no end of service providers who will get in line for an "assessment award"-- checkbooks warmed up to grease the palms of K C, BOD and . Like what happens in Congress--the lobbyists represent the corporations who give them money and "bills" they want Congress to sponsor. The lobbyist goes to the target congressman, gives them gifts and gets the help they need to get the bill into a committee and start the ball rolling. We don't have such an elaborate system, but where there is money, there are vultures around. Our vultures are the BOD who will plunder their own friends and neighbors to benefit themselves and their benefactors. But back to the hypothetical question-our liability- which is HUGE if we entangle our not-for-profit business with K C's for-profit commercial enterprise. We stand to have to pay out on a contract which does not exist that will contain terms favorable only to its sponsors---K C, the BOD and the Management Company. Is there anyone who thinks that those terms would be favorable to Owners, other than the enticement of a $15/mo loss-leader to get a "majority approval"? Which BOD did not get. (If they can't add simple math, then there really is no hope). I believe that SLohA stands to lose its favorable tax status as a Not-for-profit corporation by entering into a enterprise with a Member and distributing Association monies to a member. Our governing documents forbid this. This is also prohibited by the Statute that SLohA is organized under--FS617. Then there are the 1500 other subscribers outside the park. Because of the depth of the Association's business involvement with K C , whose owner is a MEMBER OF SLohA and who SLohA is permitting equipment to be housed on the property, contrary to our own Covenants, AND whose property SLohA is insuring, outside subscribers will look to SLohA as a party to the service provider and WE will be involved in lawsuits from outsiders which owners will have to pay to defend. Not to mention the third party leases to Verizon and other internet service providers whose service requires K C's towers. Add to that the growing suspicion that SLohA may have a financial investment in K C and you have a potential disaster because K C is obviously financially-distressed and will be unable to re-capitalize the business in the event of technology changes, an accident involving one of its towers on another person's property, seasonal destructive storms, or any natural or man-made casualty which causes an extended service interruption or harm to people or property. (K C has several off-property towers; one of its towers on the property immediately adjacent to where I take my dog to be groomed--it is on Lightner Knot near Walk-in-Water.) I agree with you wholeheartedly; this has future disaster for SLohA written all over it. Owners already have serious continuing and expensive problems with our wastewater plant which is going to consume significant resources and deplete our Reserves over the next several years. We still have an SBA loan to pay and all our collateral is already pledged to it. We don't have anything left to secure a loan with (except the new annex). Some bad lawsuits will wipe SLohA out and into receivorship. I fear there is some serious fear and greed driving SLohA to the brink. All of this sounds very scary for homeowners in here indeed; it sure did give me pause to think that we could all loose our very homes, (and this includes the homes and assets of the board members) because this board decided to get in bed w/this highly questionable internet provider, "Mr. S" without any liability guarantees, insurances or contract and all with no assurances of ANYTHING. Way to go BOD, you really know how to set this association up for a shit-load of problems now and down the road.
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Post by Guest on Feb 18, 2014 16:00:06 GMT -5
In response to the question: "Has the BOD recognized the fact that the numbers were not sufficient to pass?" Sure they know, they just want to keep lying to the community. ! One board member--an officer--told another owner today that the internet did pass and he will have to pay the $15/mo. for it whether or not he wants it! Of course, this was an outright lie. "Was anything passed to the BOD that the numbers were not sufficient?" The election committee gives their results to the board; they have the numbers; and, if they do the math, they'll realize just like everyone else that crunches those same numbers and comes up with the same results, and that is that NO, they did not get enough votes for the internet or the budget increases to become reality. As far as "What is the BOD saying anything?" Well, if you want to know what the BOD is saying, why don't you go and ask (one of) them, then come back here and let everyone know what they said, if they said the internet and the budget increase both passed, then they lied to you. Also, the next board meeting is on 2/19/14--this Wednesday. Just for shits and giggles, go to that meeting and stand up and ask them point blank what they have to say about it. Thank you for the info but there was no need to get snarky with the last question. If the BOD doesn't recognize that the budget didn't pass, then they will go on as normal. I was just wondering if they have acknowledged the error made.
FYI - My Wednesdays are and have been for some time, taken up outside the community being with my elderly family. They take more priority than your snarky remarks to legit questions. So please take my place "for shits and giggles" and ask them for me.
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Post by Guest on Feb 18, 2014 19:29:00 GMT -5
In response to the question: "Has the BOD recognized the fact that the numbers were not sufficient to pass?" Sure they know, they just want to keep lying to the community. ! One board member--an officer--told another owner today that the internet did pass and he will have to pay the $15/mo. for it whether or not he wants it! Of course, this was an outright lie. "Was anything passed to the BOD that the numbers were not sufficient?" The election committee gives their results to the board; they have the numbers; and, if they do the math, they'll realize just like everyone else that crunches those same numbers and comes up with the same results, and that is that NO, they did not get enough votes for the internet or the budget increases to become reality. As far as "What is the BOD saying anything?" Well, if you want to know what the BOD is saying, why don't you go and ask (one of) them, then come back here and let everyone know what they said, if they said the internet and the budget increase both passed, then they lied to you. Also, the next board meeting is on 2/19/14--this Wednesday. Just for shits and giggles, go to that meeting and stand up and ask them point blank what they have to say about it. Thank you for the info but there was no need to get snarky with the last question. If the BOD doesn't recognize that the budget didn't pass, then they will go on as normal. I was just wondering if they have acknowledged the error made.
FYI - My Wednesdays are and have been for some time, taken up outside the community being with my elderly family. They take more priority than your snarky remarks to legit questions. So please take my place "for shits and giggles" and ask them for me.
To be 100% honest with you I wouldn't care if you were going to a class on how to milk a goat on Wednesday as a reason to miss the meeting, its none of my business what you are doing . just sayin FYI
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Post by BagLady on Feb 19, 2014 13:53:12 GMT -5
_BOD verified in today's meeting that neither budget proposal passed with the required majority. KL also stated that "traditionally" the threshold of the 50% majority was "50% of the Entire Membership" which is the higher of the two possible majority thresholds. (This is consistent with the way the Florida statutes are written in the provisions concerning Finances.) Therefore, the majority number needed to ratify the budget is 785 divided by 2 or 395.
(<Shut the Door!!!> Only 260 people voted FOR the budget with internet when they thought it was only a $45/Q increase--wait till they read it was actually a $70/Q increase on the a proposed budget! Can you spell "deceivved" ...deceeved...deceived? This is what KL was struggling to avoid when he stated in the meeting that "nobody would vote for the budget if they put down a $70 increase!)
Add to that people are disgusted with this board's ineptness and inability to construct a legal ballot or even count a majority. People are more likely to throw their ballots in the garbage or vote NO just to send a message to BOD. They'll be lucky to get 395 ballots returned! _ Round 2--Ding Ding! Here 'n Now prediction by the lady with the bag on her head--FAIL!
According to creditable sources in attendance at the meeting, BOD seems to be in some state of shock and confusion about all this and wants to go back and count ballots again and will be sending out another round of ballots with ONE proposed budget. Board seemed split evenly on which budget option to attempt to re-ratify. This is so costly and unnecessary. But it's not BOD's money they are wasting!
Also, BOD theorized that there were too many covenant items on the ballot and that is why they all failed. I think that it ridiculous. People might be uninformed about the Covenant issues, doubtful of SLohA's authority to amend covenants, disbelieving of an outrageous proposal or suspicious of BOD's motives but they are not stupid enough to be rendered immobilized by several proposed changes presented at the same time. But, apparently the BOD thinks people ARE that stupid so will only put ONE covenant at a time on the ballot until they get all the covenants changed--even if it takes 20 years.
Twenty years from now, the Covenants will have long since been declared expired and we will have a trustworthy board, competent management partners, open and transparent business conduct, a brand new set of updated and clear documents and an educated community that will read and respect our governing laws. In the meantime, this poor befuddled group can start practicing reading ONE covenant at a time...
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Post by Father Justice on Feb 19, 2014 16:26:10 GMT -5
Like I said when in doubt , VOTE NO .
I'm glad that many listened to that .
Here is my next bit of advice....
If you have to vote to increase money to the budget so it can be wasted VOTE NO AGAIN .
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