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Post by BagLady on Jul 26, 2014 15:50:19 GMT -5
Attachment DeletedIt appears that Mr. True Grit has changed his mind AGAIN! One must be an owner to be on the Board and Mr True Grit is gittin' outta Dodge! House is up for sale--is there anyone that thinks his mind is focused on SLohA business affairs? Alln Rss is on his way OUT! If there were any grit in this man's integrity, he would just gracefully resign and let someone take over who was interested in serving S-bag owners.
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Post by Dick Tracy on Jul 26, 2014 16:06:35 GMT -5
Hell, they would just hand pick one of their like minded friends. We need a Recall, this Fall. I was reading :
How To Take Back Your HOA !!!
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Post by Crystal Ball on Jul 26, 2014 16:11:20 GMT -5
Two names come to mind for bod seats, one former "security force" member that recently resigned his duty on the ''force'' from QW
and a Canadian w/a new doublewide on STN.
Hear me now Believe me later
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Post by BagLady on Jul 26, 2014 18:11:55 GMT -5
Dick T: You are right, there is only one way to economically stop the financial bleeding and misery in SLR and that is to recall a quorum of directors and replace them with people who care about S-bag more than their own egos, self-claimed status "privileges" and greediness.
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Post by Hopeful on Aug 2, 2014 9:14:27 GMT -5
according to realtor.com, the house status is "pending sale"
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Post by Lra on Aug 5, 2014 19:52:34 GMT -5
I am just checking into see what has been happening at S-bag. What a surprise to find a Board member selling. That brings into question a very serious topic...VIOLATIONS. who is legally held accountable when a parcel is sold with known violations? The seller who knowingly sold the property? The Title company for not listing this on the sale? SLohA for not citing the violation? Or the buyer who upon checking in with SLohA as required by the rules and regulations gets the mandatory 14 days to correct letter?
On top of that how can any double wide be sold within SLohA if double wides are NOT allowed under the Covenants?
Confused about selective enforcement.
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Post by BagLady on Aug 5, 2014 22:34:23 GMT -5
Here's some input from a past licensed real estate Salesman. I believe I mentioned before that I was also required to complete a CAM course as part of my employment as a salesperson in areas dominated by condos (Miami and Naples). This is not a simple equation because there are at least 4 parties involved--Florida, HOA, Seller, Buyer, Real Estate Agent and Broker.
In general, the Seller must disclose property defects which are not readily apparent or reasonably discoverable by the Buyer. That is Florida Real Estate law FS475 and governs all real estate transactions whether represented by an agent or not. To do otherwise is considered fraudulent and the Seller can be sued by the Buyer after the fact if the lack of disclosure results in an unanticipated expense or otherwise reduces the value of the real estate. A Buyer dealing directly with a Seller is at a considerable disadvantage.
If there is a licensed real estate agent representing the property, it is up to the agent to do "due diligence" to elicit the Seller's disclosure of the property condition, in writing. The listing agent must also disclose the existence of an HOA laying claim to property use and assessments.
So, Mr. Rss is being represented by Coldwell and it is up to the Agent's Broker to establish a disclosure policy. There is a lot of skirting of the law in real estate transactions and many inexperienced practitioners. Legally, the sales agent is acting in a fiduciary capacity and is bound to "not lie" to a Buyer even though the Seller is their client. Agents represent both sides and, though their main duty is to their client, they also have a "duty of truthful dealings" to the Buyer.
The state of Florida will hold the Broker and Agent accountable for failure to do due diligence with regard to eliciting property defects from the Seller. The new buyer might S u e Mr. Rss. Mr. Rss might S u e SLohA.
Is HOA rule infraction a property defect? YES. If Mr. Rss has a violation on the property and has not ever been cited by the HOA for non-compliance, then the defect is not enforced and/or waived. It might be reasonable for Mr. Rss to not disclose the "defect" under these circumstances. He might forget. But that is not a defense under the law. He knows the defect exists, especially as a past board director.
If SLohA decides to enforce a rule which they have failed to enforce in the past, they must properly notify the Members, in writing, of their intent to begin enforcement and give owners an opportunity to make arrangements to comply. The new owner will then have the choice of what to do; the new owner now "owns" the defect. The new owner may or may not S u e the real estate firm agents and the Seller for withholding material property information.
Did the Buyer have a reasonable opportunity to discover the defect? Possibly; the Buyer has 3 days to read the documents after signing the sales contract and Buyer might recall that there was a defect that existed on the property that is not compliant with the rules. Which Rules did the Buyer read? The ones recorded with the county that deleted entire Regulation sections? One of several Redbook versions? Did the Buyer question the Seller about this? What was the response? This is the stuff that churns attorney fees.
The title companies role is pretty minor; they are a "ministerial agent" and responsible for discovering all documents that will affect the conditions of the title. They do the title search and the buyer pays for accuracy and error insurance. Title searches may reveal "irregularities" and the title company will advise the buyer to seek a legal opinion. The buyer can then hire an attorney to examine the documents and comment --an Attorney's Opinion. This will be the point at which the Buyer will be advised what restrictions encumber the property.
BTW, I assume there is a violation on Mr. Rss's property--what is it?
Doublewides were allowed by Polk County with a change to the PUD in 1994. County Land Planning trumps SLohA Covenants.
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Aug 8, 2014 9:01:04 GMT -5
Looks like the "For Sale" sign @ #61 S-bag Trail has been removed in the last 24 hrs.
Perhaps the house sold already...gee, that was fast!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 6:17:04 GMT -5
Things seem a bit more clear now, A. Rosss wouldn't resign from the BOD because of any anonymous posts, but instead resigned/sold and left SLohA due to what's commonly referred to as the "WRITING ON THE WALL". Recognizing one's wrongful acts and realizing the booming voice of their own guilty conscience in their heads that wont stop must be very distracting.
I like the line I've always heard in some movies, "You can run, but you cant hide"!
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Post by jimherbst on Aug 16, 2014 7:57:58 GMT -5
S u e's explanation of liability for non-disclosure of defects is very enlightening but I have a question: In the case of a condominium sale, it has always been my understanding that the title company, as part of its due diligence, requires a letter from the homeowners association regarding the "good standing" of the seller (outstanding HOA fees, conformance to architectural rules, etc). Are "resort communities" like Sbg treated differently than condominiums when it comes to pre-closing title searches?
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Post by Admin on Aug 16, 2014 11:07:27 GMT -5
S u e's explanation of liability for non-disclosure of defects is very enlightening but I have a question: In the case of a condominium sale, it has always been my understanding that the title company, as part of its due diligence, requires a letter from the homeowners association regarding the "good standing" of the seller (outstanding HOA fees, conformance to architectural rules, etc). Are "resort communities" like Sbg treated differently than condominiums when it comes to pre-closing title searches? Several items here. 1. S-bag is not a condominium which is VERY DIFFERENT from an HOA. HOA laws are light years behind laws that have governed condos for decades. However, legislation is moving grudgingly foward at a snail's pace to afford HOA owners the same rights as Condo owners have long enjoyed. 2. Property rights are always found in the governing documents as are the authorities to enforce restrictions on those rights. The Covenants are the Contract between SLohA and the Owner and cannot be unilaterally changed by the Association. The municipality in which the property is located can limit or change the restrictions in the contract, because municipalities' laws are superior to lesser private governments like SLohA. SLR was declared a CAMPGROUND and that cannot be changed--EVER-- except by 100% Agreement of Owners. There is no amendatory provision in the Covenants allowing any amendments to the original Declaration of Covenants. Obviously, a campground would not be concerned with restrictions on rentals of popups or trailers. The modification of the PUD in 1994 "trumps" SLohA's restriction on property use to popups and trailers, but in that case, only County restrictions become applicable. The County would not defer to any conflict between it's building codes and PinkBook rules. 3. As far as the condos go, it is usual and typical for a condo to have such restrictions on the transfer or other property uses of the unit. Because of occupant densities and sharing of common elements in condos ---which do not apply to HOA's because HOA's are typically single-family detached dwellings--the Condo Association documents typically contain more restrictive covenants than an HOA. It should be noted that condos would not have the occasion to morph from one type of property ownership to another. Condos are concepted and built originally as vertical ownership entities and owners' interests are further defined as "share ownership" as opposed to HOA's, where members own no proportionate shares of the common property. Rather, ALL Owners of HOA property own ALL common property jointly and it is not "divisible". The Title Company is responsible for assuring that the Title is transferred with all conditions and restrictions which have been duly publicly recorded on the property are satisfied by the Conveyer of the property. Title companies will trace the chain of title and underlying documents encumbering the property to assure that all documents were accurately prepared and the property encumbrances (by other lenders or individual claims) and restrictions have been met before they will underwrite and insure their due diligence title work. As side note, amendments to governing documents are not required to be publicly recorded. If they are recorded, amendments are not conveyances and do not appear on a deed's chain of title. Amendments are not, therefore, legally sufficient to put a new title owner on "constructive notice" of a material change of property rights. A Title Company will reveal the existence of any amendments that may have been recorded on the property, but such amendments do not impact the title. This is because amendments to covenants CANNOT change property rights--they can only "flesh out" an existing property right. Therefore, they are inconsequential to the conditions of title. Disclaimer: I am not an attorney or a professional title searcher. These interpretations should not be relied upon if you are contemplating legal action. Consult an attorney for legal advice.
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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2014 8:02:13 GMT -5
Any thoughts on the meteoric sale of this house? Put up for sale July 25 and "sale pending" August 2? That's about a week---in a community where homes take months and years to sell.
That is curious, to say the least. Waiting to meet the Eager Beaver Buyer!
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Post by observer on Aug 17, 2014 8:06:32 GMT -5
Perhaps the quick sale was because of the beautiful front porch.
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Post by Johnny Quest (for the Truth) on Aug 17, 2014 8:07:22 GMT -5
Any thoughts on the meteoric sale of this house? Put up for sale July 25 and "sale pending" August 2? That's about a week---in a community where homes take months and years to sell. That is curious, to say the least. Waiting to meet the Eager Beaver Buyer! Odd, the same thing occurred when B ob DeeB olt quit the board prez/temp. manager position. He put his home on the market and it also sold within one week. Coincidence? Hmmmmmm?
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Aug 17, 2014 12:08:33 GMT -5
Any thoughts on the meteoric sale of this house? Put up for sale July 25 and "sale pending" August 2? That's about a week---in a community where homes take months and years to sell. That is curious, to say the least. Waiting to meet the Eager Beaver Buyer!
It is interesting to note that back when B o b D e blt was president of the board and befriended a renter with whom he had several revealing conversations regarding the expired covenants on SLR common property, that soon afterward, this president quit the board, put his house up for sale, which also just so happened to have sold in under two weeks and then, he was gone--just like with Mr. A l e n R ss. Coincidence? You bet! Maybe this is what bod's are offered as a form of " get-out-of-jail-free card" or something...if you want out--just say so, but you have to put your house up for sale, resign from the board and we'll take care of the rest, (like getting your house sold fast) and you can get outta Dodge scot-free--just don't say anything to anyone and don't come back here. Funny how this history has recently repeated itself...
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Post by BagLady on Aug 17, 2014 12:14:17 GMT -5
Gee I feel left out. Why doesn't anyone offer to buy my house to get rid of me? Maybe I just don't know enough...yet.
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Post by Alaska HEMI R/T Jm Admin. on Aug 17, 2014 12:18:11 GMT -5
Gee I feel left out. Why doesn't anyone offer to buy my house to get rid of me? Maybe I just don't know enough...yet. Maybe if you had been elected to the BOD and exposed some things your home would've sold in a week as well!
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Post by On the Fence on Aug 17, 2014 15:10:00 GMT -5
or b/c it has a illegal fence
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Post by Alaska HEMI R/T Jm Admin. on Aug 17, 2014 16:04:12 GMT -5
or b/c it has a illegal fence Its not really a fence, it is open on one side and has no gate. A fence is three sides, generally, and a gate to provide access to the area that is enclosed on all sides. Not a fence!
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Post by Dick Tracy on Aug 17, 2014 21:50:36 GMT -5
My memory has a different take on Bb Debolts departure. He had wanted to stay as BOD Pres and acting manager, for 1 more year. He had some things he would have liked to have finished as Pres/Manager. But the BOD's majority coalition had changed and he was not voted as Pres. of the Board. A Canadian Bb K, I do believe was voted in as the new Pres. and Bb Dealbolt stayed on the BOD, until the new Board made a decision, to cancel the present agreement with the bookkeeping co.and paid them a fairly large amount of money to terminate the contract. Then the new BODs had a majority coalition, and that group of BOD Members made the Wise (so they thought at the time) choice to hire a HOA Management Co. The final decision was to sign a agreement/contract with, (yes you guessed it) Stmbg Ixx's HOA/Real-Estate Management company out of Winter Hayvin, Fl. This contract was approved with the BOD's knowledge of Stmbg Ixx's track record with other local Associations. During that period of time is when Bb Dealbolt had a belly full, of the new Boards decision making and stepped away from the Board. Then Bb listed his very nice house on the water, For Sale. A buyer liked the house and the water front location, had money and the house was Sold. Bb then relocated to the West Coast of Fl. Any conspiracy theory is just hear say & B.S. Yes, the BOD Members prior to 2010 did make mistakes, but they also had a Frugal Attitude and made a lot of cost cutting decisions. They were trying/working long hrs. to do good for SLR. Just ask Vkey S,Lindie K, what was accomplished during that period in time. Looking forward, Now we have One Big Ass Mess in SLR and it is not getting any better at the present. That is The Truth....
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