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Post by Puzzle Pieces on May 18, 2014 6:53:54 GMT -5
Puzzle piece said, "The Board never lowered the fees, the voters voted to lower the fees and that reduction was placed on the ballot by the Board to buy votes. " No wonder people are laughing at me, I LOVE THE LA KINGS! Well well well! It appears that a nerve has been struck! Back, you spend a lot of time on social networks from what I have seen, and you get your butt handed to you quite often! Coming back with insults and dropping personal info is a sign of you being a true loser in every sense of the word! Its best that you do run along, that's what losers like you always do but you will be back with another insipid display of your being spoon fed things to write about.
Those of us that know your identity are all laughing at you and will have the last laugh. Have some more Troll Nuggets and have a nice day!
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on May 18, 2014 9:11:20 GMT -5
Actually, Back, or whoever you are today, I was referring to the check disbursement records that are a MONTHLY derivative report from the books. These records are the ones for the everyday expenses--not the reserves account(s). These are the ones I am talking about; these are the records for the first quarter of this year that were requested, but, never received. Residents ARE allowed to see these expenditures!
Also, after checking what we've been paying for the last few years, I found this: in 2009, 2010 and 2011 our dues were around $510/qtr., then in 2012 and 2013 we were paying $475/qtr. Now we are at $500/qtr. We are NOT paying that much less now as compared to 4 years ago; so you really do not have an argument there. (We are only paying $10/less per quarter now, than our highest payment within the last 4 years.) And, if the illegal internet were passed in here, along w/the increase, we'd be paying $545/qtr. right now.
You should have done a little fact checking on the amounts, because I'm sure that just about everyone in here did NOT want to pay any more than the $475/qtr.
Some of the Election Committee members were saying "Gosh, how did this budget pass, when everyone we know voted it down?" As you recall, the budget and the internet both failed the first time, (and the second, as well.) Then the board redid the ballot w/out internet, and it miraculously passed--gee how did that happen, especially when there were very few residents that wanted to pay $100 MORE/yr.? If it failed the first time, I just don't see how that many people changed their minds in the span of a month's time and said, "yeah, go ahead and bill me for more money..." Yeah, right, I know people in here do NOT vote to cut their own financial throats!
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Post by SLANTY on May 18, 2014 11:00:48 GMT -5
Aside from the above issues, I wish to ask all readers and the management why the STUMP issue was so important that certified letters had to be mailed to a tune of almost $2,000.? Hayvn't run into a SUMP yet that was a hazard or life threatening issue as are the "no new ladders at the dock" issue. Besides those of you living in the United States be aware that YOU received the CERTIFIED LETTERS not the Canadians. Is there a double standard in this Resort or what?
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Post by SLANTY on May 18, 2014 11:14:17 GMT -5
And what about the stupid idea of tearing up the tennis courts in the height of the season with no intent to immediately repair them? When will they (the courts) be available to us residents when we return? Want to plan my return date appropriately.
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Post by Play Ball on May 18, 2014 12:14:02 GMT -5
And what about the stupid idea of tearing up the tennis courts in the height of the season with no intent to immediately repair them? When will they (the courts) be available to us residents when we return? Want to plan my return date appropriately. The only real reason the tennis courts were cut to bits was because the tennis club did NOT support the internet vote. Following suit with how management reacts to not getting what they want, they (he/she/it), punished the tennis club.
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Post by Back to Back on May 18, 2014 12:42:53 GMT -5
And what about the stupid idea of tearing up the tennis courts in the height of the season with no intent to immediately repair them? When will they (the courts) be available to us residents when we return? Want to plan my return date appropriately. The only real reason the tennis courts were cut to bits was because the tennis club did NOT support the internet vote. Following suit with how management reacts to not getting what they want, they (he/she/it), punished the tennis club. This is what I'm talking about. Why are you doing this? because I love the LA KINGS?
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Post by Get on back on May 18, 2014 12:49:34 GMT -5
Actually, Back, or whoever you are today, I was referring to the check disbursement records that are a MONTHLY derivative report from the books. These records are the ones for the everyday expenses--not the reserves account(s). These are the ones I am talking about; these are the records for the first quarter of this year that were requested, but, never received. Residents ARE allowed to see these expenditures! Also, after checking what we've been paying for the last few years, I found this: in 2009, 2010 and 2011 our dues were around $510/qtr., then in 2012 and 2013 we were paying $475/qtr. Now we are at $500/qtr. We are NOT paying that much less now as compared to 4 years ago; so you really do not have an argument there. (We are only paying $10/less per quarter now, than our highest payment within the last 4 years.) And, if the illegal internet were passed in here, along w/the increase, we'd be paying $545/qtr. right now. You should have done a little fact checking on the amounts, because I'm sure that just about everyone in here did NOT want to pay any more than the $475/qtr. Some of the Election Committee members were saying "Gosh, how did this budget pass, when everyone we know voted it down?" As you recall, the budget and the internet both failed the first time, (and the second, as well.) Then the board redid the ballot w/out internet, and it miraculously passed--gee how did that happen, especially when there were very few residents that wanted to pay $100 MORE/yr.? If it failed the first time, I just don't see how that many people changed their minds in the span of a month's time and said, "yeah, go ahead and bill me for more money..." Yeah, right, I know people in here do NOT vote to cut their own financial throats! Do you like the LA KINGS?
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Post by gusto on May 18, 2014 14:00:31 GMT -5
SLohA does not follow the Election Rules as stated in our governing documents. Period! You will not find any statement about separating proxy cards and ballot envelopes prior to The Annual Meeting. And then placing rubber bands around the bundles of ballot envelopes. Then place those "Ballots" in a locked file cabinet in the SLR's Front Office... Read The Redbook. The Redbook's Version on Ballots, Voting and The Ballot Box is slightly different. Just Saying.
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on May 18, 2014 14:38:21 GMT -5
Puzzle piece said, "The Board never lowered the fees, the voters voted to lower the fees and that reduction was placed on the ballot by the Board to buy votes. " No wonder people are laughing at you. When you make statements like that it proves your own stupidity. Like, that is not the way it works. I don't like social networks so I'm outa here, figure it out for yourself. Well well well! It appears that a nerve has been struck! Back, you spend a lot of time on social networks from what I have seen, and you get your butt handed to you quite often! Coming back with insults and dropping personal info is a sign of you being a true loser in every sense of the word! Its best that you do run along, that's what losers like you always do but you will be back with another insipid display of your being spoon fed things to write about.
Those of us that know your identity are all laughing at you and will have the last laugh. Have some more Troll Nuggets and have a nice day!
Oh, look, back said s/ he was "outa here" and doesn't like social networks, yet keeps coming back for more, so that makes you dishonest here, not me. Repeating a few facts and the election committee's comments makes me dishonest how? I don't understand why you even bother to come on here, since what you say makes no sense.
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Post by jwa on May 18, 2014 14:45:59 GMT -5
O-Me... I have been beating the drum about the SEWER/WATER Reserve for sometime now. I am happy "miss-be", has finally notice the Sewer/Water Reserve is way under funded. A $125,000 applied to that reserve fund each year is a mistake. A Big Mistake! I also know that before you build a $400,000 plus New Annex Bldg., you "cut down the danger trees" first. You do not wait until the building is under roof and at that point in time "cut down the 2 trees". Now if our Leaders do not understand a simple tree issue, then how do you expect Our Leaders to understand "The Redbook". You been beating something ever since your wife lost her job at the office. The logo you have sums up your attitude. Go bloody you head some other place. This is why you don't feed the trolls.
For your information, not that I should have to explain my personal life to you, after two winters working in the office, I resigned my position. I did not lose my job, nor was I fired. Jew-D Ath
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Post by Tree Surgeon General on May 18, 2014 15:52:34 GMT -5
The only real reason the tennis courts were cut to bits was because the tennis club did NOT support the internet vote. Following suit with how management reacts to not getting what they want, they (he/she/it), punished the tennis club. This is what I'm talking about. Why are you doing this? because I love the LA KINGS? That was only part of the reason for chopping up the tennis courts, it was the relocation of that internet tower and the pile of tennis court chunks that stressed the Oak trees and caused the roots to buckle the surface. So, the management is less to blame than the people that moved the tower and the internet provider is more to blame for the loss of two courts because that tower should not be where it is. But, the manager ordering holes to be sawed in the surface went beyond what could have been a smart repair by grinding down surface imperfections, using a straight edge to be accurate and then a crack sealant along with matching paint. The manager really screwed the pooch on that job by being a complete and total idiot. Back your life consists of rolling out of bed at 4am and checking this site 24/7 unless you are watching porn as has been reported by your provider. What original slogan will you come up with next, don't like it leave?
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Post by Play Ball on May 18, 2014 18:47:44 GMT -5
The only real reason the tennis courts were cut to bits was because the tennis club did NOT support the internet vote. Following suit with how management reacts to not getting what they want, they (he/she/it), punished the tennis club. This is what I'm talking about. Why are you doing this? Because I love the LA KINGS? Pay attention here BACK, take your ADHD medication and read what I wrote. I never said the tennis courts did not support the internet vote. What is says is that the TENNIS CLUB (that would be the people with the rackets hitting balls back and forth over the net and not the green surface they are standing on) did NOT support the internet vote.
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Post by BagLady on May 19, 2014 8:07:37 GMT -5
There's a lot of frustation and sarcasm lately and maybe some comments that seem "overstated". But, if there are other "New Guests" who are frustrated with what might appear to be illogical propositions about why something happens--like the Tennis Club NOT supporting the budget vote and therefore, not getting repairs for the surface destruction by MANBOD--then better questions need to be asked rather than just wallowing in anger and frustration. The Fact is that this is the "perception" about the poor quality of treatment of owners is currently in SLR and "Perception is Reality" to the person(s) expressing those thoughts. Better questions will lead to a more productive conversation if they were concerned about the evolution and maintenance of the negative (and perhaps unreasonable) perception ie "Why is there a perception that owners are being retaliated against by MANBOD for not accepting MANBOD's behavior?"
Here's a few more common perceptions " Why does MANBOD ignore the fact that FOUR people have fallen into the lake from around the new dock in as many months--then publicly promise to install safety ladders at a KK--and then not only fail to do so but spend thousands of dollars on duplicate poSt age costs harassing only United States-owners about the garbage receptacles?" and "Why does MANBOD hold adequate lighting in the Annex parking lot hoSt age to passage of the budget when this is a critical safety issue for the protection of both SLohA the corporation and its elderly residents?" and "Why do owners express so much anger to a MANBOD that shouts at them to "shut up and move out" when expressing an opinion at a Board meeting and a BOD that refuses to answer its own correspondence written the owners who elected them?" and "Why does BOD refuse to answer a reasonable and direct written question about lawsuits when OWNERS are paying for these lawsuits which the BOARD is provoking by its actions?"
The general perception that results is MANBOD LIES constantly and does not exercise its fiduciary duty to protect the owner's rights. Is that such an unreasonable perception from the above propositions?
MANBOD needs to lose the attitude and ask harder questions about its role in why people express these thoughts. MANBOD might like to think--and might like others to believe--that there are only 10 people who are thinking these things, but they are very wrong about how widespread the discontent is in SLR with this abusive management company and the Board's absolute allegiance to it rather than to the owners.
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Post by observer on May 19, 2014 8:21:51 GMT -5
I was a vote counter and in my group, it seemed highly unlikely that the vote passed. I was very surprised at the outcome.
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on May 19, 2014 8:44:19 GMT -5
I was a vote counter and in my group, it seemed highly unlikely that the vote passed. I was very surprised at the outcome.
To observer: I appreciate you coming on here to express what a lot of us had been talking about right after the outcome of the vote was announced. That's why I wrote about this 2nd election being very suspect as to why SLR voted down the increase and then a month later voted it in. It DID NOT make a damn bit of sense for the people of SLR to do this, and therefore suspect ballot tampering.
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Post by Getting it right on May 19, 2014 10:51:58 GMT -5
I was a vote counter and in my group, it seemed highly unlikely that the vote passed. I was very surprised at the outcome.
To observer: I appreciate you coming on here to express what a lot of us had been talking about right after the outcome of the vote was announced. That's why I wrote about this 2nd election being very suspect as to why SLR voted down the increase and then a month later voted it in. It DID NOT make a damn bit of sense for the people of SLR to do this, and therefore suspect ballot tampering.
Actually, I think I have to agree in part with you...I also feel the BOD messed up when they put two different budgets on the ballot and thus the votes got split. I'm not even sure if I agree with the way the votes were counted on the first budgets proposal...some voted for both, some checked multiple boxes, etc....I'm not even sure someone as smart as you could have figured out how to count them....but that has come and gone and lets hope they learned from the experience and so we move on to the next special vote when there was only one item and you voted either for or against. Now we come to the hard part, as for myself, I trust that the election committee got it right as there are multiple checks and double checks that are verified. If on the other hand, you feel it wasn't counted correctly, you have the right to make a recount yourself. You can make a request to get the ballots and count them at the office which will probably take at least a day and there will have to be a Board member or two present while this is being done. I can tell you I voted for the budget and most of the people I talked to did also. I certainly would rather pay $25.00 per quarter extra, rather than have to pay a special assessment all at one time when the project is completed. With 609 ballots counted and 452 FOR and 157 AGAINST, the Budget, I would have to guess it would be a waste of time.
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Post by observer on May 19, 2014 12:50:34 GMT -5
The fact that you are making the kind of statements on this forum today tells me that YOU may be experiencing unpleasant speculation about your motives--a hidden agenda? I understand that; I too have been target of vicious rumor and innuendo because I chose to defend my property title against an aggressor-- who happened to be SLohA. If you are indeed, experiencing this kind of feedback from neighbors, I am sorry. It is another layer of hurt that you must process into disrupted friendships and way of life in S-bag. You are only defending yourself and your home against unprovoked and continuing attacks by this manager and her true believers. Why do people blame the victim?
The victims are blamed because of others' stupidity &/or lack of being able to accept the truth and facts when they have already been proven as such.
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Post by observer on May 19, 2014 13:03:38 GMT -5
As an observer, I've noticed something about Back... She appears to be somewhat narcissistic regarding the lack of intelligence on other people's part, which of course, allows her to live in a narcissistic entitlement of the one who is gifted beyond others. Everything is said with a blinding "authority". With this comes the diagnosis of a personality disorder. Is it Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Anti-social Personality Disorder, Combative Personality Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder or a whole host of aggrandizement disorders.
Back, try deep breathing, relaxation, you do not have to run the world as you see fit. You are just a cog in the wheel, we all are and we all are always trying our best, but apparently you do not believe as the rest of the world. You have a blown up idea of how important you are. I would imagine you to be an exclusive Right Winger, who feels if you don't wag the flag, you are a traitor and you would die before they pry the gun out of your hand. Just like the rest of us, you need to validate your points without the caustic remarks and use A leads to B logic.
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Post by Unknown on May 19, 2014 13:40:26 GMT -5
As an observer, I've noticed something about Back... She appears to be somewhat narcissistic regarding the lack of intelligence on other people's part, which of course, allows her to live in a narcissistic entitlement of the one who is gifted beyond others. Everything is said with a blinding "authority". With this comes the diagnosis of a personality disorder. Is it Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Anti-social Personality Disorder, Combative Personality Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder or a whole host of aggrandizement disorders. Back, try deep breathing, relaxation, you do not have to run the world as you see fit. You are just a cog in the wheel, we all are and we all are always trying our best, but apparently you do not believe as the rest of the world. You have a blown up idea of how important you are. I would imagine you to be an exclusive Right Winger, who feels if you don't wag the flag, you are a traitor and you would die before they pry the gun out of your hand. Just like the rest of us, you need to validate your points without the caustic remarks and use A leads to B logic. You sure described me to a tee, did you know I love the LA KINGS?
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on May 19, 2014 14:10:24 GMT -5
To observer: I appreciate you coming on here to express what a lot of us had been talking about right after the outcome of the vote was announced. That's why I wrote about this 2nd election being very suspect as to why SLR voted down the increase and then a month later voted it in. It DID NOT make a damn bit of sense for the people of SLR to do this, and therefore suspect ballot tampering.
Actually, I think I have to agree in part with you...I also feel the BOD messed up when they put two different budgets on the ballot and thus the votes got split. I'm not even sure if I agree with the way the votes were counted on the first budgets proposal...some voted for both, some checked multiple boxes, etc....I'm not even sure someone as smart as you could have figured out how to count them....but that has come and gone and lets hope they learned from the experience and so we move on to the next special vote when there was only one item and you voted either for or against. Now we come to the hard part, as for myself, I trust that the election committee got it right as there are multiple checks and double checks that are verified. If on the other hand, you feel it wasn't counted correctly, you have the right to make a recount yourself. You can make a request to get the ballots and count them at the office which will probably take at least a day and there will have to be a Board member or two present while this is being done. I can tell you I voted for the budget and most of the people I talked to did also. I certainly would rather pay $25.00 per quarter extra, rather than have to pay a special assessment all at one time when the project is completed. With 609 ballots counted and 452 FOR and 157 AGAINST, the Budget, I would have to guess it would be a waste of time. Get it right : I never said anything about recounting the ballots or questioning the morals of the election committee; I believe all election committee members are on the up and up! It's been my thought, however, that the ballots were possibly tampered with BEFORE the election committee got them to count.
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