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Post by Lra on Feb 1, 2015 9:13:38 GMT -5
leery, leery, leery. What part of "The Covenants are expired and therefore, the Rules and Regulations are null and void", did you not get? Ask any Board member they are obligated to tell you the truth. This is Florida State Law and it supersedes SLohA. THAT IS FACT. In 2013 the Board knew they had expired and did "A Letter of Preservation" trying to reestablish these documents. That is what has placed a "CLOUD" on everyone's title within S-bag. The Second "CLOUD" was the 2014 filing of the Rules and Regulations that somehow were changed in wording from the ones approved by the membership. So now, in order to legally sell your property or any property within S-bag with a clean, clear, free title these two "CLOUDS" must be removed. Not doing this can lead to the person selling the property being sued even after several transfer of Title have occurred. This affects everyone. And, while on the subject, I want to say that the unit for 66 Silversides was approved, subsequent followup paper work was accepted and it was approved and allowed in by management on February 18, 2014 just after noon time. We have photos to show management approving our unit at the gate that are date and time stamped. At the time, S-bag had NO architectural committee as required under Florida State Statute 720 and relied on one person. That person's acceptance entered into what is considered a legal, binding contract on behalf of the Board. Trying to force a correction (which the Board tried to do) is a breach of that contract and now enters the realm of multiple illegal, bordering on immoral acts against us. YES. THIS ALL WELL DOCUMENTED. LET THE COURTS DECIDE. But in the meantime, try to accept the fact that we must all work together. Stop accusations and quoting irrelevant newspaper articles. It will help us more for you to show a kinder, gentler side. I have offered my services to the committee working on Revitalization. That is my way of working in the best interest of S-bag. What is yours?
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Post by courious on Feb 1, 2015 9:54:51 GMT -5
Does this mean that we homeowners can S u e our Board for even bringing a lawsuit against 66 Silversides? That way we can recover the $40,000. to $50,000.. legal fees they are holding us hoSt age to in this year's budget and next year's budget.
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Post by Admin on Feb 1, 2015 10:34:15 GMT -5
There is surely a hungry lawyer out there somewhere who would like to jiggle the pockets of these board directors who, if it is proven that they knew or reasonably should have known that covenants had expired, could be held personally liable for breach of fiduciary duty.
Heck, even little ole me was 99% certain that Covenants had expired within hours! And, I didn't have a bevy of barristers to question! The Board had unlimited funds and authority to thoroughly vet this vitally important issue.
The wording of the advice letter to SLohA back in 2013 telling them that "it was a gray area", should have alarmed and prompted the board to immediately seek a second legal opinion. This "second opinion option" was brought up in a subsequent board meeting but a second opinion was never sought. It can be argued that a "reasonable and prudent person" would have sought a second opinion about such a critically important business issue. Whether this board gets a pass via the "business judgment rule" in the end is a toss-up based on what we know now. They relied on a legal opinion (such as it was) and that might get them a "get out of jail free card".
Any case brought against directors would likely have a mountain of discovery and deposition to wade through and cost a bundle!
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Post by jimherbst on Feb 1, 2015 11:56:08 GMT -5
As a municipal official, I was insured for lawsuits against me for actions within my scope of "agency". However, if it were shown that my actions were reckless and outside the limits of authority, I could be held personally liable and the City's liability carrier would refuse to defend me. It's a very tricky area. But there are cases in both the public sector and the private sector where members of a governing body were held personally liable. I believe such was the case with Enron, where Kn Lay and other officers and board members were successfully sued by the Enron stockholders. Also, I had several friends who were hospital nurses. They carried their own liability insurance because there have been cases where nursing staff were sued for malpractice even thought they were acting as hospital employees.
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Post by Lra on Feb 2, 2015 14:52:13 GMT -5
A candy - coated version of "ending the lawsuits" was presented today by the two separate law firms The Revitalization packet presented was only designed to stop the original lawsuit of Ms. Tg and only ONE part of our countersuit. IT WILL NOT STOP SLohA FROM USING TWO LAW FIRMS TO CONTINUE SUING US. The Revitalization ballot alone has two flaws and WILL be cH allenged by us in Tallahassee. The misnomer that Homestead properties will be reincumberdered no matter what must also be cH allenged. SLohA HAS TAKEN ON A BIG LEGAL COST NOW AND FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO COME. Plan on emptying the reserves.
Years of anger, hostility and meanness will prevail for years. No more friendly S-bag for anyone, no matter your position.
ALL THIS BECAUSE THEIR MANAGER APPROVED OUR UNIT iN WRITING AND WAS THERE THE DAY IT ARRIVED AND ALLOWED IT IN. (Pictures available) WAY TO GO M. e. l..
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Post by Lra on Feb 2, 2015 17:46:33 GMT -5
HOMESTEADERS BEWARE!!!
The Revitalization packet has a trick in it. If you vote "NO" and sign it thinking you are protecting yourself; think again. The statement under the signature says you are giving SLohA written consent to reimposed on you.
Your only SAFETY is to NOT VOTE AND DESTROY YOUR BALLOT.
BEWARE. BEWARE. BEWARE. DESTROY BALLOT. DO NOT REIMPOSE YOUR PROPERTY.
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Post by Alaska HEMI R/T Jm Admin. on Feb 2, 2015 18:02:46 GMT -5
HOMESTEADERS BEWARE!!! The Revitalization packet has a trick in it. If you vote "NO" and sign it thinking you are protecting yourself; think again. The statement under the signature says you are giving SLohA written consent to reimposed on you. Your only SAFETY is to NOT VOTE AND DESTROY YOUR BALLOT. BEWARE. BEWARE. BEWARE. DESTROY BALLOT. DO NOT REIMPOSE YOUR PROPERTY. Thank you Lra for mentioning this. I will do my best to spread the word and I will even approach folks in the dog run to do this, just like a member of the Board did, telling folks to NOT GO TO YOUR MEETING.
Its only fair, and that's what we want, leery, FAIRNESS.
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Post by Admin on Feb 2, 2015 18:25:46 GMT -5
I will get Frd's opinion on this and the Homestead Exemption Opt-Out. SNAP will fund this consultation on behalf of ALL owners.
(Mutter...mutter...still can't believe that SLohA's attorney lied TWICE!)
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Post by TwistedFriend on Feb 2, 2015 18:51:51 GMT -5
Slow down Don't knee jerk Catch your breath Think Tallahassee
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Post by Admin on Feb 2, 2015 21:40:38 GMT -5
Good Advice. In touch with attorney and preparing to cH allenge with DEO. SNAP is financing as it is an "all-owner" legal issue.
The owners in here deserve better than to revitalize a non-existent trailer park with documents that are null and void and WILL generate future lawsuits! Owners deserve better than to start down this tired, expensive and divisive path again.
BOD--take a junket to OZ and get yourselves a brain, courage and a heart!
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Post by Alaska HEMI R/T Jm Admin. on Feb 3, 2015 6:03:28 GMT -5
Psychology tells us that deceptive people that have been caught in their misdirection of facts WILL lie. It is an avoidance response so as they do not have to face their own reality of being incorrect and refuse to take the responsibility of their failure.
Its very easy to spot a liar, they give themselves away before they ever speak a single word. The response delay is part one of what we look for, the eyes give them away next.
Question: Has anyone asked a direct question to a board member and had them look you directly in the eyes and give you the answer without hesitation?
Its no wonder the board of directors does not want any communication with the membership, and that is because WE know the truth and accept it as truth. Truth never changes and a liar will always deflect, hesitate and search the cerebral cortex for a way to deceive with the false answer that they want you to believe as THEIR truth, all the signals are present and they are not convincing, hence the pause, rolling eyes or no eye contact, nervous body language is also a big sign of a liar. The next most evident signal when the liar is exposed is to become aggressive either in tone of voice or with a physical display such as to intimidate.
Beware good people, we are being lied to and have been for quite some time now. Time is up for these deceptive ones who don't want to accept the reality of being called on their deceptions.
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Post by courious on Feb 3, 2015 6:44:24 GMT -5
Intimidation: the act of forcing one's will on another.
Mob mentality: the act of not being individually accountable.
Fear: a response to the unknown.
Anger: the act of fear.
All wars thrive on these elements. Jesus was crucified on these elements. JFK and Martin Luther King died because of these elements.
We at S-bag are succumbing to these elements.
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Post by pestcontrol on Feb 3, 2015 7:16:51 GMT -5
As I sat through the meeting yesterday, all four attorneys committed themselves to the statement that by Revitalization the lawsuits will be ended. It was not until the end when the question was asked if this would end the lawsuit against 66 Silversides. The answer to that was: NO. So, 60 minutes of saying Revitalization would end the lawsuits the bottom line is NO.
Okay, then why vote for the Revitalization packet if indeed the spin given by the four attorneys was made null and void with the very last question?
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Post by Admin on Feb 3, 2015 8:17:01 GMT -5
Intimidation: the act of forcing one's will on another. Mob mentality: the act of not being individually accountable. Fear: a response to the unknown. Anger: the act of fear. All wars thrive on these elements. Jesus was crucified on these elements. JFK and Martin Luther King died because of these elements. We at S-bag are succumbing to these elements. Of FEAR, Jesus said in 2 Timothy 1:7 ESV For God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.Of MOB MENTALITY, Jhn F Kennedy said Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth.OF INTIMIDATION, Martin Luther King, Jr said: The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people.May I qualify your excellent post with the reminder that we have many people in S-bag that refuse to succumb to the abusive actions of abusive and lawless leaders. They do so that they and all Saddlebaggers can enjoy a retirement life free from the tyranny of a few.
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Post by courious on Feb 3, 2015 12:04:21 GMT -5
Now, the scuttlebutt on the street is that the S-bag Board has entered us into another lawsuit as the Revitalization will be cH allenged in court. Great strategy to spend more money on legal fees to support Stmbug Ixx's attorneys. Can't we use those monies to lower our water assessment bill?
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Post by Dick Tracy on Feb 3, 2015 14:32:53 GMT -5
What in The World will wake these Residents up, and see what the privileged group is doing to our Money & SLohA...
Just maybe we will have to "Go Into Receivership" before some wake-up.... But then it will be to late !
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Post by Lra on Feb 3, 2015 16:14:12 GMT -5
HOMESTEADERS BEWARE!!! The Revitalization packet has a trick in it. If you vote "NO" and sign it thinking you are protecting yourself; think again. The statement under the signature says you are giving SLohA written consent to reimposed on you. Your only SAFETY is to NOT VOTE AND DESTROY YOUR BALLOT. BEWARE. BEWARE. BEWARE. DESTROY BALLOT. DO NOT REIMPOSE YOUR PROPERTY. Homesteaders. Read #1 then read #5 then read under the signature where it twice says you are giving you written consent. = You just signed away your property rights. That is correct t. You will now not fall under Florida State Law. So, even if you vote "NO" they have captured your property. PICK UP YOUR PACKET AND DESTROY YOUR BALLOT.
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Post by Alaska HEMI R/T Jm Admin. on Feb 3, 2015 21:34:59 GMT -5
Now, the scuttlebutt on the street is that the S-bag Board has entered us into another lawsuit as the Revitalization will be cH allenged in court. Great strategy to spend more money on legal fees to support Stmbg Ixx's attorneys. Can't we use those monies to lower our water assessment bill? Maybe the correct thing to do is to just FIRE the manager and the management company after the board has been recalled. Let them pay their lawyers with their own money instead of our communities money. Management acts like they OWN SLR, maybe its time to send them packing.
Can anyone make a good argument against that? waiting.......crickets..........
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Post by Admin on Feb 3, 2015 22:40:55 GMT -5
Everyone who objects to the revitalization for whatever reason would be wise to slow down before handing over title to your property to these people. There is reason to believe that, once you give SLohA the right i.e. CONSENT to reimpose restrictions on your property, you will have a hard time unringing that bell if you change your mind.
By signing the green sheet--whether you are For or Against revitalization-- you also may be consenting to permit your property to be encumbered and lose or limit important rights, such as homestead rights.
More information is being sought for OWNERS. In my opinion, owners are very vulnerable right now and REALLY need to retain their own attorney! We should not be naive--SLohA attorneys do what the Board says and we know who controls the board! SNAP (Frd O'N eel (Attny), SNAP Director and Legal Counsel) is helping to provide information and opinion, as-needed, but funds are limited and he is not retained for this purpose.
SLohA St aged a circus yesterday to distract owners from the dead serious business--including SLR booster tee shirt sales. After the Rah Rah, we must take a sober look at what are being asked to do and how that will affect our personal investment goals, retirement lifestyle and community business operation. This requires thinking about complex details of the revitalization plan and that takes time and guidance from experts. You can't understand this stuff overnight!
Many of the documents in the revitalization package are seriously flawed and will expose SLohA to future legal cH allenge. For example, my attorney is shocked that SLohA included the 1986 and 1989 Amendments in the Revitalization. He is writing a Memoranda of Law to be posted here to help owners understand the "meaning" of this action. (The 1986 and 1989 Amendments: SLohA attorney likes call these "Replacement Covenants". Google the term--it does not exist!). The Revitalization can be cH allenged on those documents alone--and will be.
SLohA must do better than this on revitalization, if that is what owners really want. (Do owners really want the campground/trailer park covenants and to start down this path again with irrelevant documents?)
Wait for more information and an attorney opinion before you do anything! You have PLENTY of time to listen, learn and decide!
If you get your own attorney, be certain that they understand MRTA and revitalization. This usually means an HOA attorney. MRTA is pretty straightforward but revitalization is poorly understood even by the specialty lawyers.
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Post by Alaska HEMI R/T Jm Admin. on Feb 4, 2015 6:06:45 GMT -5
In my opinion I feel I must say that we have distrust in this board of directors, reasons being that they (the board) have locked us out of getting information, information such as complete financial records, made up rules as they go and used intimidation to force resident owners to comply by even breaking state laws in the process.
This board of directors have NOT been transparent, open and honest yet one of the worst has claimed he "is not a liar". Personal vigilante type attacks on a certain few home owners/year round residents have been recorded with PCSD on numerous occasions in order to try and force those residents to leave. Those residents being My wife and myself, and several others.
I have a tremendous amount of resolve to not play into the man/bods bully tactics and would not retain legal assistance knowing that the entire community would pay lawyer fees for these wrong doings of the man/bod.
Long story short on this revitalization, the Management/Board of Directors have been far less than honest and open with S-bag Owners but now they are trying to "come correct" and lead us all to think that they will do the right thing and for the betterment of the community? OH PLEASE !
You can NEVER TRUST A LIAR and/or a THEIF and here we have more than just one dishonest and deceptive person to deal with.
What makes you think you can all of the sudden trust them when they have not been even the least bit honest with the very people they serve as board members?
What makes anyone think that this board and the lawyers they have us pay for will be at all open and honest about revitalization?
Never trust people that have lied and stolen from you, never trust arrogance and those that will tell you they are now trying to be honest.
What makes anyone think that this board and this revitalization is anything more than just another underhanded tactic to fool all the folks that don't know what it really means but to "trust the board" "we are here to protect your investment" ?
I don't see where that has been done, in fact SLR has become a very split up community, a community of once nice friendly people that seemed to be enjoying retirement, enjoying their winter getaway from the frozen north. But now what I see are many that are complacent, unhappy, nosey gossiping busy bodies that have nothing better to do than cause hate and anger and they are the ones who clap for liars on the St age during KK and similar meetings just to side up and to think they are with "the powerful & privileged".
If we revitalize, if you do not destroy that paperwork, then you will be causing this community to become more of a dictatorship ran communistic prison colony and it will be far to late to fix that once it has been done.
Just think back at how nice and fun SLR was just 5-6 years ago and look at it now, its not the same. We are a divided community, neighbor against neighbor, neighbor bringing litigation against neighbor, brainwashed people that fail to question anything that comes from the MAN/BOD and without factual documentation, you just cant take the word of deceptive liars to be anything true and honest without proof. Very sad and disappointing people!
DONT VOTE , DESTROY THE REVITALIZATION PAPERWORK! DO NOT LET A sm all HANDFULL OF PEOPLE TAKE AWAY YOUR PERSUIT OF HAPPINESS AND PROPERTY RIGHTS FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. SLR WILL FAIL IF THIS PASSES.
HEAR ME NOW BELIEVE ME LATER.
Thank you for reading this and I hope my message is clear, I love all the wonderful things SLR has to offer, I would hate to see further hostile corporate takeover of our freedoms to enjoy our lives and not be under the watchful eyes of those waiting to pounce and lien properties and levy huge fines on us for the simplest things. That just isn't what America is about, don't sign away your freedom to enjoy life and accept a total dictatorship mentality that WILL cost you everything and those who you leave your property to as an inheritance. James & Carol Grnt
36 STN (an unencumbered property that pays full fees to support a free community)
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