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Post by Admin on Jan 25, 2016 19:51:23 GMT -5
PhoneVite Update tonight:
From Chap. Wants people to "vote" and SIGN the green consent form. There will be an informational meeting for people who are "unsure"; it is Thursday the 28th at 9am in Memorial H all. Since Memorial H all is being used, perhaps a big crowd is not expected.
It is about time that a "belated" meeting is held--three weeks after starting Revitalization Round #2! It will be recorded and I sincerely hope that there are no more lies. Unfortunately, I cannot attend due to having hip replacement surgery a week ago. Meeting content will be reviewed and subjected to Fact Checking.
Hopefully, BOD will advise people that even if voting NO--if they sign the green form, it is CONSENT. They need to advise people that the full range of voting is not available via this form and the only thing that counts is the Consent Signature.
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Post by sassy on Jan 25, 2016 20:30:01 GMT -5
wishing you a speedy recovery and thanks for the info
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2016 7:39:37 GMT -5
PhoneVite Followup:
O Dear! Another Lie! Chap's message stated that the materials in the referenced "brown envelope" were the SAME AS LAST YEAR!
THEY ARE NOT! Not by a long shot!
The Materials in the Revite package last year contained the latest set of Rules & Regs.
The current revite package contains NO RULES & REGS!
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Post by BagLady on Jan 26, 2016 15:41:37 GMT -5
Apparently, the board is taking my advice to start talking about the advantages of revitalization rather than using owners' funds to have their attorney intimidate me and threaten my lawyer. Too bad they couldn't do better.. Attachment DeletedFact Checker Please!!! Note: There are two separate but related entities involved in the operation of SLohA. One is the " Restriction Side" representing the authorities of SLohA to establish operational vehicle to maintain & repair the Corporate owned properties. This also establishes authority for corporate behavior ie bylaws--which essentially echo FS617. It also spells out the use restrictions of the common property and private parcels, if any. SLohA was incorporated under FS617 which decades later, split off the laws specific to HOA's to FS720. When SLohA had active Covenants, it was governed by BOTH FS617 and FS720 and, of course, its Bylaws. Without Covenants, SLohA is governed by FS617 and FS720 Part III Revitalization-only and parts of its Bylaws (which do not expire by MRTA). The other side is the " Corporate Side" which is the vehicle that sets up the operations side of running the facilities of the common properties and whose laws are found in both the corporate documents i.e. the Bylaws and the corporation law, Statute 617. An example is the authority to hire a Management company. Attachment DeletedSo, on to the Fact Checker You will continue to have water and sewer as long as the plant will operate. SLohA has a binding agreement with SWFMD and Polk County which REQUIRES SLohA to operate the plant. That was a continuing obligation entered into by the Developer in the 70's and does not get excused because the Corporation forgot to preserve the Covenants. You will continue to have garbage pickup; the corporation can enter into an agreement for this service without the benefit of Covenants/Rules or an existing HOA. If the corporation should decline to perform this function, the County would simply initiate this service on a parcel basis like most neighborhoods and add the cost in your tax bill. It is a health and safety issue and the County will require it to be done. You may or may not continue to have a "secure gate" depending on what the corporate stockholders want to fund. The Corporation has the legal authority to enter into third party contracts as desired by its members. If you want a gate and will pay, you can have it. Same goes for employees. You don't need Covenants and Rules to employ people to work for the corporation. You will retain your Reserves and any surpluses. There is VERY STRICT and DETAILED language in the corporate law FS617 that deals with the dissolution of Reserves. This would only occur in the event the Corporation desired to dissolve. Your Reserves are protected by State Law. (Why would SLohA dissolve itself unless it were forced into receivorship and bankruptcy by unpaid bills?) Covenants and Rules do not protect SLohA against forced bankruptcy by creditors.) Roads will continued to be owned and maintained by the Corporation as long as the members want that. It is very unlikely that Polk County would accept our private roads because they were built for a campground and are completely out of spec for public roads. It is more likely they would fall into disrepair if the Owners decided to stop paying for their maintenance. You might have a bumpier golf cart ride. You will continue to enjoy all the services of the HOA that you do now--as long as Members will operate the facilities and Owners want to pay the tab. Sorry board, that was not even a good try at "selling advantages". That was a mindless exercise in fear-mongering like you did last year. Fact Checker Rating: UDDER BULL |
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2016 17:54:41 GMT -5
Gosh this one is EVEN MORE DIRE! BOD: Please stop regarding the minions as feeble-minded idiots subject to your untrue and scary threats! It doesn't work anymore and makes you look dim. Attachment Deleted It says "
OK so we have already debunked the idiocy of all the above items except for two; so here is what will happen to capital assets, including any remaining Reserves, in the event members of SLohA decide to dissolve the corporation:
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Here is LAW about what happens to leftover Reserves (once all outstanding debts are repaid)
As for over 55+ restrictions, this is a pipe dream or perhaps a nightmare if the board attempts to enforce this invalid restriction. Much as already been written and that does not to be repeated here. If you decide to dismiss the reasons why this restriction is invalid and problematic without an alternate, credible analysis, then you are a True Believer and probably believe the rest of the crap put out by whoever wrote this poster (which is unattributed--usual for the Board but only THEY have access to the BB behind the glass!)
Fact Checker! What say You?
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2016 18:38:09 GMT -5
This says " Attachment DeletedHell0ooo Fact Checker! Let's take this one sentence at a time because there is actually a truthful statement or two in here! Florida State legislation created the Marketable Record Title Act (MRTA) to help those folks who reside in formerly Home Owners Associations (HOA) regulated communities that did not disband their HOA properly.
Hogwash! This is NOT why the MRTA was created in 1963. It was to streamline the disposition of property ownership to automatically delete --after 30 years--ancient restrictions placed on property by owners who were long dead. The statement was "The dead sH all not control the living" and illustrated the impediments to land transactions where title searches were required to look back to Spanish land grants.
In FACT, MRTA forgot about HOA's until it started diddling with the law in 2003 and enacted ways for HOA's to preserve and later, to revitalize their covenants.
The use of the phrase "disband their HOA property" is coming from the mind of someone not schooled in either real estate, MRTA or HOA law. It is meaningless and occurs nowhere in law!
Unfortunately, this act negatively affected ACTIVE HOA's such as SLohA by allowing the validity of the Covenants to be questioned.
Yes-at last a statement that is partially true! The parts that are not true are "...Covenants to be questioned" and "ACTIVE HOA's" The issue is not in question when a title search is performed, a MRTA-qualified attorney issues an opinion and then, there can be little doubt if the Covenants are expired or not. That is why SLohA's Preservation was invalid; one cannot "preserve" that which is already expired!
There are 7 exceptions to MRTA expiration and most of these involve municipal and state restrictions. It is not rocket science to inspect a chain of title and count 30 years.
MRTA has NO Impact on ACTIVE HOA's. It only affects HOA's who fail to preserve their covenants within 30 years. It provides a mechanism whereby negligent HOA's who allow their covenants to expire at the 30 year mark to "resurrect" them by following the procedures in FS720 Part III.
The Florida Legislature realized this error and subsequently provided a means to Revitalize (or reaffirm) an HOA's Covenants via Florida Statute 720.400-720.600.
OOH I was getting so excited! This statement is almost entirely true. Unfortunately, there is NO SUCH THING as 720.600. This highest numbered provision is 720. 407
Fact Checker: How would you rate the accuracy of this Poster?
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Post by GTO on Mar 8, 2016 0:19:38 GMT -5
Still 600 plus S-bag Residents signed the Green Consent Form..... Crazy!
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Post by Dick Tracy on Jun 8, 2016 23:38:58 GMT -5
Larrry Lesster is in Great Denial... A FACT! yes...
Along with many of Our So Called Leaders !
Below is "Part of a E-mail"
From: Larrry Lesster (President)
To: S u e (Forum Administrator)
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June 3, 2016
"Finally, in answer to your question about your forum, I have not and will not be contributing to the conversation because even though SLohA does not contribute to its operation and it is privately funded, the fact that it carries the name “S-bag”, gives it a legitimacy that I don’t feel it deserves.
The way that it has degenerated into a place where lies, half-truths and venomous statements abound has made it a place that I only choose to monitor in order to prepare myself and the others who are trying to serve this resort faithfully and honestly, against the attacks we have come to expect.
The degree of distrust and paranoia that has grown among your contributors is very disturbing. It is my style to speak with candor and without pretension and I am very comfortable answering questions about my actions but I fear that the minds and hearts of many of your readers and contributors have been so poisoned by the evil and conspiratorial picture of leadership and authority figures which has been painted, that honest words and open explanations can have little or no impact and will likely subject anyone who responds to further ridicule.
Still, if there are those who are interested in hearing truthful explanations of my opinions or actions, I am truly, pleased to reply." leery
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Leery, Are you kidding me, The Green Consent Form was a Lie... SLohA's Leaders, Management and Counsel stated that Frd O'N eel (Attny) Esq. and the state of Florida had given their "Approval" to the New 2016 Consent Form and Revite Pkg.
That Leery was "One Big Lie" and it had your apparent approval, and it was posted on SLohA's Bulletin Boards. That "Big Lie" is how you got a 74%, Yes Consent Vote .
Plus as our Board President you never made a verbal correction as to it being a Lie. "So Much For Hearing any of your Truthful Explanations".
Jm
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Post by Admin on Jun 9, 2016 11:12:51 GMT -5
leery wrote:
This is a very tired complaint and it is NEVER accompanied by an example of a "lie, half truth or venomous statement". In the past, there have been a couple inaccuracies which Admin has corrected. Half-truths? How would anyone expect an contributor to state a WHOLE TRUTH when SLohA business is conducted in secret by email and worse? Owners get LESS THAN half the truth from the Board and are left to speculate and try to connect the dots and make some sense of your actions. There are certainly critical statements and that is and will be true of all HOA's everywhere. If the comments sting, it is because they have found a target. Best to relinquish the task to more tough-skinned volunteers if you are feeling "attacked".
At no time has anyone offered an example of a LIE. Not one time has this accusation been backed by a posted LIE that was countered by the TRUTH. This blind and simple-minded accusation is an approach illustrative of "My father can beat up your father" type of schoolyard mentality. Makes no sense and is never proven, in fact.
Serving honestly and faithfully might be your intent, but this belief is self-delusional when your actions speak otherwise.
And sadly, the Triad CAN expect more attacks. At a point in time when business is conducted with transparency, when the laws are willingly obeyed and when ALL persons represented by SLohA are treated equally and with respect, those attacks will melt away...
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Post by No one in particular, on Jun 9, 2016 21:44:49 GMT -5
Serving honestly and faithfully might be your intent, but this belief is self-delusional when your actions speak otherwise.
No it doesn't leery, remember you was voted in by a wide majority of the residents, there is only a Sm all minority of whiners who you will never satisfy. Keep up the good work ! We trust you and not blindly as the dark side believes, you have the support of most of us.
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Post by observant on Jun 10, 2016 5:51:37 GMT -5
Serving honestly and faithfully might be your intent, but this belief is self-delusional when your actions speak otherwise. No it doesn't leery, remember you was voted in by a wide majority of the residents, there is only a Sm all minority of whiners who you will never satisfy. Keep up the good work ! We trust you and not blindly as the dark side believes, you have the support of most of us. Now isn't it interesting that this writer is so taken with self importance that he believes his own misguided thinking. |
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Post by Dick Tracy on Jun 10, 2016 7:37:44 GMT -5
leery is not stepping up to the plate, and speaking out about the, "Out Right Lies Management and SLohA's Counsel" told about the 2016 Green Consent Forms, Revitalization Pkg., says Wonders in my book. If one is "going to talk the talk, they must walk the walk" and leery chose to stayed silent.
Now I do not trust him, in SLohA's Affairs. I was hoping leery was different.
Please trusting believers, point out where I am wrong.......
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Post by Admin on Jun 10, 2016 13:38:35 GMT -5
No one in particular posted:
As most of you know who know me, I am most comfortable when so-called "truths" have some evidence to support a "fact" or position. It has perplexed me why so many choose to "drink the koolaid" and place themselves in vulnerable positions by pledging allegiance to ignorance--rather than seeking actual evidence to justify their position. So, I looked it up and Lo and Behold, there is an actual theory that explains this!
System justification theory (SJT) is a theory within social psychology that serves a psychologically palliative function. It proposes that people have several underlying needs, which vary from individual to individual, that can be satisfied by the defense and justification of the status quo, even when the system may be disadvantageous to certain people.
Need for order and stability, and thus resistance to change or alternatives, for example, can be a motivator for individuals to see the status quo as good, legitimate, and even desirable.
According to system justification theory, people desire not only to hold favorable attitudes about themselves (ego-justification) and the groups to which they belong (group-justification), but also to hold positive attitudes about the overarching social structure in which they are entwined and find themselves obligated to (system-justification).
Additionally, the passive ease of supporting the current structure, when compared to the potential price (material, social, psychological) of acting out against the status quo, leads to a shared environment in which the existing social, economic, and political arrangements tend to be preferred.
Alternatives to the status quo tend to be disparaged, and inequality tends to perpetuate (italics mine).
This is further explained by research by New York University (NYU) social psychologist Jhn Jost, working with six other collaborators, published in the February 2014 issue of the Journal of Theoretical and Philosophical Psychology entitled “Belief in a Just God (and a Just Society): A System Justification Perspective on Religious Ideology.” This correlational study looked at levels of religious belief in relation to several “system justifying” notions, such as the belief that the world is a just place (i.e., people generally get what they deserve), belief in the Protestant work ethic (hard work will be rewarded), belief that the current free market economic system is fair, and belief that inequality is necessary and just.
The results—as is often the case—were complicated and somewhat mixed, but in general, Jost and his colleagues found that greater religious belief was correlated with greater endorsement of the status quo. Religiosity was also positively correlated with right-wing authoritarianism and political conservatism.
Unfortunately, many people value feelings, gut reactions, and intuition over reasoned argument. These ... defenders of the status quo will find it very difficult to reject bad ideas that feel so good.
I don't think Saddlebaggers are any different from "people" anywhere. Baggers will defend their world view in comfort rather than willingly submit their beliefs to uncomfortable rational examination.
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Post by truefacts on Jun 16, 2016 21:45:16 GMT -5
PhoneVite Followup: O Dear! Another Lie! Chap's message stated that the materials in the referenced "brown envelope" were the SAME AS LAST YEAR! THEY ARE NOT! Not by a long shot!
The Materials in the Revite package last year contained the latest set of Rules & Regs.
The current revite package contains NO RULES & REGS!
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Post by truefacts on Jun 16, 2016 22:03:04 GMT -5
true facts posted:
You should be familiar with this website by now because you are a registered member. Do you think that Admin cannot identify you?
I don't know about YOUR revite package, but my envelope was bursting at the seams, weighed a ton and had the R & R's included. In fact, the very first thing I noticed about Revite package #2 was that it seemed extremely lightweight compared to the previous one.
Anyone got an old revite 2014 package laying around? Maybe I'll write a question to leery. (It is true that the R & R's were not listed on the document cover sheet.) Was mine the only one that had R & R? Did I get a special package?
Got any more examples of the "many, many lies being told here"?
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