Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2016 16:22:19 GMT -5
leery listerine volunteered to chair meeting. Dias Jean Pray, Schlz, Brnd
Ground Rules: Statement about what we won’t do and what we intend to do. Purpose to assist to Saddle owners who are not clear what they are being asked to do when they are asked to sign the green form. That is what we are here to discuss.
I was delegated by BOD to do the revitalization documents to submit to DEO for permission to revitalize the docs 2 yrs ago and put together the legal info approved by their legal guidance. They are not lawyers and will not deal with any document issues underlying the revite process. Lawyers will be on St age March 2 to answer any remaining questions, which is the submssion deadline. Anyone with intention of engaging in debate, your arguments will not be entertained and disruptive conduct will not be tolerated and the meeting adjourned. There is a group battling our efforts here today and this will not turn into a brou ha ha! (Laughter)
You can reserve your vote until the attorneys are here to answer any remaining questions on Mar 2.
Pray: Comments on history which began with the rules committee and we had questions and sent to lawyers and lawyers said “wait a minute-mrta is out there and you have to deal with that first”.
New owners might have more questions. How many new owners? Nobody is brand new? We were hoping to catch new owners and explain what it’s all about…
We can’t tell you anything new if you sent your Consent in last years revitalization…
Lawsuit and mediation stopped last revitalization but that is over and Committee authorized to reconvene and move on.
Q: When was MRTA enacted?
A: 1963; Pray gave an accurate summary of why the MRTA law was enacted.
We never received a notice by the state that our 30 years was up. So we were given no information on the need for or information on how to do these things. There was a fix in 2004.
Q: Can you speak to the external documents ie 720
A: Pray: I don’t know
Brnd: They split off 617 to 720 and I don’t know the year
Q: What can happen in the future?
A: We don’t know what can happen 100% . If there is no framework to run the resort, we will have to turn in back to the state (if we have water) and we won’t pay employees and the pool won’t be looked after. These are possible outcomes and we do not know.
Q: We wouldn’t own the facilities anymore?
A: I don’t know who would buy it; we need 50% and we would like to get more than that if it had to go to another 100% vote and we can’t get 75%
Q: I there anything in the interim to educate to people what could happen?
A: We can’t state those things as facts and puts us into legal aspect but nobody can tell you and it is a legal discussion as to where it might go
Brnd. Is there anyone out there who believes we can operate without Rules & Regs? Is there? <Clapping> Everybody agrees we have to have R & R. That is exactly what this is about.
Q: If you are an incorporated company, what stops us from doing exactly what we are doing now? It is negative Impact on employees I am worried about
A: The covenants are priority and the government covenants control the same thing and the other documents would not have any rules. If you don’t have R & R if someone wanted to put fences up they could do it
Q: Decent people follow rules
Q: If revitalization goes forth, will people get to vote again to update the Bylaws and other documentation would it be 66%vite required to approve new laws?
A: True by the 720, but we are not sure. At this at this point it is 75%. 720 says unless your governing documents say otherwise. If the revite fails, it is 100%. We assume if approved by 50% it will apply to 100%, but you will never get 100% to approve anything.
Q If revite fails, does it take away the voice of people?
A: Good point. We are just trying to give new life to what we had before and we recognize that things need to be changed and once approved, will address rules & regs over time, but that’s down the line.
Q: Changing our covenants?
A: Not true. We still have to vote on rules over 50%
Q: Some comment about deteriorating condition at another park and we need to do it right
Q: We will have school busses picking up kids. Need to have association and correct things we want to change.
A: Comes back to worst case scenarios and this is a possibility.
Q: How many chances to revitalize and does everything come to a halt until revitalization so let’s get it over with?
A: If the day comes when Polk takes over the pool or if you can’t have golf carts and… I want to maintain control of home, like Ed said with school busses coming in….
A: Same idea again but we don’t know what will happen
Q: Are they going to run a water and sewer line from Lake Wales?
No answer
Q: We will have all kinds of people living here, beer parties
A: Thanks for the history
Q: What are you going to do about R & R and ?
A: The rulebook committee will determine the approach and will be more in touch as it comes along. I would hope they would ask for input
Q: How many people would like to see rules changed all at one time versus as you go?
Q: We are getting off topic
A: The covenants and the rules will be dealt with later after the covenants are approved
Q: Lawyers will always disagree and you ask me to agree what YOUR lawyer has said and I can’t agree to that.
A : We have had many consultations with lawyers over the years and it is hard to get 787 people into the conversation. We believe we are acting in the best interest of the park. Individuals have every right to disagree with what is done and said but we have to come together in some form and make a group decision.
If someone does not bring consent form with them and want to ask lawyers questions, we will be able to provide a form at the meeting.
Q: Frd O’Neal said he did not approve the consent form and you threatened him..
A: Going into legal territory and cut off the speaker
Q: What is the timeframe after?
A: We must submit in 15 days and the DEO has 30 days. The count will be counted on Mar 2 then the state has 60 days to approve and then we have to do whatever comes next before being recorded in the records of Polk.
Q: What is absolutely final date?
A: end of the meeting on Mar 2
Q: Are the covenants expired?
A: They are technically expired; we are under a voluntary homeowners association where people are voluntarily paying assessents and participating. It has been working remarkedly well. We have been asked about R & R and have been careful not to comment on R & R during this period and that would likely be the case going forward but we don’t know what self-centered people will do. This is an insurance policy.
Q: If you don’t turn your ballot in, it is a no vote?
A: If someone has lost the green sheet , we can give you another one. If you choose not to sign and turn it in, It is a NO vote. We want to get as many back to achieve 50% +1 as we can.
Q: I have a neighbor who wants to vote yes but her revite package is back in NY and she got new copies from the office and will turn it in before she goes back
A: You have to have everyone on the title to sign it and have to correct your deeds with the county it takes about 2 weeks. Forms must match what is on the county record and we will help you with the process if they turn in a death certificate to submit with the ballot and we will help you correct with the county.
Q: If two people sign and only one name is on the form, is it valid?
A:Yes, that is overkill.
Q: Does everyone on the deed need to sign?
A:Yes. You can go and get a new form to match Polk County records
Q: We still have to have the Mar 2 meeting to formalize the vote?
A: 399 Yes ballots
Q: Should we not listen to the lawyer first?
A: Yes you do not have to vote early. Feb 24 is some lead time for counting. Attorney must validate vote.
Q: 50% altogether or 50% in favor?
A: Each unit has to have 50%+1 vote-that is the legal requirement. 51% + 1 YES votes of the total in each unit (not votes returned). If this is not achieved, we have a big problem. Frd O’Neal demanded last year that each subdivision is separated into unit votes. They were counted last year that way. They will be counted the same way this year.
Q Let’s say 1/3 (1 out of 3 units) votes NO <Uproarious laughter>
A: If it fails the vote, we will be operating as a voluntary association and if we see problems, can we go back to revitalize.
A: Question should be asked to the lawyers at the meeting.
Q: Thanks volunteers for working on project
A: Acknowledge. We believe we are doing what is best; it is a matter of trust
Q: Believe you should put out these questions and answers at KK; there are a lot of people who couldn't be here today
A: We stumbled a bit on this this year; assumed people knew about revitalization. People didn’t really know much from last year…
Q: Comment if you don’t have anything to lose, go forward.
End of meeting
About an hour
Ground Rules: Statement about what we won’t do and what we intend to do. Purpose to assist to Saddle owners who are not clear what they are being asked to do when they are asked to sign the green form. That is what we are here to discuss.
I was delegated by BOD to do the revitalization documents to submit to DEO for permission to revitalize the docs 2 yrs ago and put together the legal info approved by their legal guidance. They are not lawyers and will not deal with any document issues underlying the revite process. Lawyers will be on St age March 2 to answer any remaining questions, which is the submssion deadline. Anyone with intention of engaging in debate, your arguments will not be entertained and disruptive conduct will not be tolerated and the meeting adjourned. There is a group battling our efforts here today and this will not turn into a brou ha ha! (Laughter)
You can reserve your vote until the attorneys are here to answer any remaining questions on Mar 2.
Pray: Comments on history which began with the rules committee and we had questions and sent to lawyers and lawyers said “wait a minute-mrta is out there and you have to deal with that first”.
New owners might have more questions. How many new owners? Nobody is brand new? We were hoping to catch new owners and explain what it’s all about…
We can’t tell you anything new if you sent your Consent in last years revitalization…
Lawsuit and mediation stopped last revitalization but that is over and Committee authorized to reconvene and move on.
Q: When was MRTA enacted?
A: 1963; Pray gave an accurate summary of why the MRTA law was enacted.
We never received a notice by the state that our 30 years was up. So we were given no information on the need for or information on how to do these things. There was a fix in 2004.
Q: Can you speak to the external documents ie 720
A: Pray: I don’t know
Brnd: They split off 617 to 720 and I don’t know the year
Q: What can happen in the future?
A: We don’t know what can happen 100% . If there is no framework to run the resort, we will have to turn in back to the state (if we have water) and we won’t pay employees and the pool won’t be looked after. These are possible outcomes and we do not know.
Q: We wouldn’t own the facilities anymore?
A: I don’t know who would buy it; we need 50% and we would like to get more than that if it had to go to another 100% vote and we can’t get 75%
Q: I there anything in the interim to educate to people what could happen?
A: We can’t state those things as facts and puts us into legal aspect but nobody can tell you and it is a legal discussion as to where it might go
Brnd. Is there anyone out there who believes we can operate without Rules & Regs? Is there? <Clapping> Everybody agrees we have to have R & R. That is exactly what this is about.Q: If you are an incorporated company, what stops us from doing exactly what we are doing now? It is negative Impact on employees I am worried about
A: The covenants are priority and the government covenants control the same thing and the other documents would not have any rules. If you don’t have R & R if someone wanted to put fences up they could do it
Q: Decent people follow rules
Q: If revitalization goes forth, will people get to vote again to update the Bylaws and other documentation would it be 66%vite required to approve new laws?
A: True by the 720, but we are not sure. At this at this point it is 75%. 720 says unless your governing documents say otherwise. If the revite fails, it is 100%. We assume if approved by 50% it will apply to 100%, but you will never get 100% to approve anything.
Q If revite fails, does it take away the voice of people?
A: Good point. We are just trying to give new life to what we had before and we recognize that things need to be changed and once approved, will address rules & regs over time, but that’s down the line.
Q: Changing our covenants?
A: Not true. We still have to vote on rules over 50%
Q: Some comment about deteriorating condition at another park and we need to do it right
Q: We will have school busses picking up kids. Need to have association and correct things we want to change.
A: Comes back to worst case scenarios and this is a possibility.
Q: How many chances to revitalize and does everything come to a halt until revitalization so let’s get it over with?
A: If the day comes when Polk takes over the pool or if you can’t have golf carts and… I want to maintain control of home, like Ed said with school busses coming in….
A: Same idea again but we don’t know what will happen
Q: Are they going to run a water and sewer line from Lake Wales?
No answer
Q: We will have all kinds of people living here, beer parties
A: Thanks for the history
Q: What are you going to do about R & R and ?
A: The rulebook committee will determine the approach and will be more in touch as it comes along. I would hope they would ask for input
Q: How many people would like to see rules changed all at one time versus as you go?
Q: We are getting off topic
A: The covenants and the rules will be dealt with later after the covenants are approved
Q: Lawyers will always disagree and you ask me to agree what YOUR lawyer has said and I can’t agree to that.
A : We have had many consultations with lawyers over the years and it is hard to get 787 people into the conversation. We believe we are acting in the best interest of the park. Individuals have every right to disagree with what is done and said but we have to come together in some form and make a group decision.
If someone does not bring consent form with them and want to ask lawyers questions, we will be able to provide a form at the meeting.
Q: Frd O’Neal said he did not approve the consent form and you threatened him..
A: Going into legal territory and cut off the speaker
Q: What is the timeframe after?
A: We must submit in 15 days and the DEO has 30 days. The count will be counted on Mar 2 then the state has 60 days to approve and then we have to do whatever comes next before being recorded in the records of Polk.
Q: What is absolutely final date?
A: end of the meeting on Mar 2
Q: Are the covenants expired?
A: They are technically expired; we are under a voluntary homeowners association where people are voluntarily paying assessents and participating. It has been working remarkedly well. We have been asked about R & R and have been careful not to comment on R & R during this period and that would likely be the case going forward but we don’t know what self-centered people will do. This is an insurance policy.
Q: If you don’t turn your ballot in, it is a no vote?
A: If someone has lost the green sheet , we can give you another one. If you choose not to sign and turn it in, It is a NO vote. We want to get as many back to achieve 50% +1 as we can.
Q: I have a neighbor who wants to vote yes but her revite package is back in NY and she got new copies from the office and will turn it in before she goes back
A: You have to have everyone on the title to sign it and have to correct your deeds with the county it takes about 2 weeks. Forms must match what is on the county record and we will help you with the process if they turn in a death certificate to submit with the ballot and we will help you correct with the county.
Q: If two people sign and only one name is on the form, is it valid?
A:Yes, that is overkill.
Q: Does everyone on the deed need to sign?
A:Yes. You can go and get a new form to match Polk County records
Q: We still have to have the Mar 2 meeting to formalize the vote?
A: 399 Yes ballots
Q: Should we not listen to the lawyer first?
A: Yes you do not have to vote early. Feb 24 is some lead time for counting. Attorney must validate vote.
Q: 50% altogether or 50% in favor?
A: Each unit has to have 50%+1 vote-that is the legal requirement. 51% + 1 YES votes of the total in each unit (not votes returned). If this is not achieved, we have a big problem. Frd O’Neal demanded last year that each subdivision is separated into unit votes. They were counted last year that way. They will be counted the same way this year.
Q Let’s say 1/3 (1 out of 3 units) votes NO <Uproarious laughter>
A: If it fails the vote, we will be operating as a voluntary association and if we see problems, can we go back to revitalize.
A: Question should be asked to the lawyers at the meeting.
Q: Thanks volunteers for working on project
A: Acknowledge. We believe we are doing what is best; it is a matter of trust
Q: Believe you should put out these questions and answers at KK; there are a lot of people who couldn't be here today
A: We stumbled a bit on this this year; assumed people knew about revitalization. People didn’t really know much from last year…
Q: Comment if you don’t have anything to lose, go forward.
End of meeting
About an hour
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