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Post by Admin on Jun 11, 2016 11:44:43 GMT -5
In 2016, the board is attempting to secure a "Lease Agreement" between SLohA and KCNetwork. This followed the public admission by D Brnd in June 2015 that he and all parties entered into a lease agreement "sometime in the past" allowing the towers on our common property--and that this "agreement was "lost" by everyone involved and they would have to go get a new one...
This was stated at a community meeting about the outside availability of internet service. (The complete audio of the meeting is posted on this Forum and a transcription of portions of the meeting are also posted.) The proposed provider of this service learned (as did the owners) from D Brnd that KCNetwork had claimed exclusive use of the towers and an outside provider could not install equipment unless KCNetwork permitted it.
This thread is being set up to collect information that is not yet being disclosed to owners in its creation. We are not allowed to know what the board is planning for our property and lives. However, the BOD has stated--since its meeting in August 2015, that it is "working on a lease agreement" with KCNetwork. Obviously, the lawyers are creating the agreement and that is being paid for out of owners' assessments.
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Post by Dick Tracy on Jun 11, 2016 17:42:18 GMT -5
June 3rd, 2016
Larrry Lesster Stated in a E-Mail:
It was about a year ago now that the issue of the towers in the resort became a source of controversy. When the county initiated the action to have the towers within the resort certified, "I was fully in favor of that action and I spoke and voted accordingly." Based upon our need for an independent website and recognizing the ill-will that existed, among some, toward Mr.stab I felt that it would be prudent for the Board to work toward clarifying SLohA’s relationship with KCnet. It is to that end that’s the Board has been working toward an ownership/ lease agreement with KCnet, over the last several months. There have been several interruptions and delays along way, never any discord on either side, but we are very close to having that agreement in hand.
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Post by Admin on Jun 11, 2016 21:39:00 GMT -5
leery listerine wrote:
Let's be clear. This was NOT county-initiated. This was initiated by a concern by an owner for the safety of the Tennis Court tower anchor which was visibly leaning to one side and obviously NOT properly secured. The county then CITED both SLohA and KCNetwork after inspecting ALL the towers and stab's residence.
The county did not initiate action to have towers "certified" (whatever that means). The county invited SLohA to workaround the problem of obtaining permits by making an application for a modification to S-bag's existing PUD which would allow business on the property. SLohA spent almost $2000 on an application alone on behalf of stab and KCNetwork! That comprehensive Level 3 land use modification application was the true "initiator" of progressing the citations against S-bag/KCNetwork. The application was signed by Brnd and stab. The land use modification was required to further progression to securing permits for the towers.
What EVERYONE that spoke FOR the land use modification was not what was actually being proposed-a land use modification that permitted business activity within the park. What EVERYONE in favor spoke to was the wonderfulness of the internet service provided by stab/KCNetwork.
Finally, there was NO VOTE by anyone on any matter brought before the Owners, who own the common property which was trespassed on by KCNetwork. The Bylaws REQUIRE that Members vote on all significant acquisition or disposition of common property (over $25K), but this "acquisition" of KCNetwork's towers was not discussed with owners nor did the Board propose an acquisition for Members to vote on.
They are now spending owners' money on Management Company attorneys who are attempting to incorporate these towers and a known criminal in SLohA business without input or consent of owners. They have spent thousands and thousands of dollars on this venture in the past 5 years.
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Post by Dick Tracy on Jun 12, 2016 11:08:53 GMT -5
Now, I am suppose to e-mail Larrry Lesster if I have any Question about issues in SLohA. But it appears Larrry (Our President) is not very informed. Maybe Larrry should E-Mail the Administrator of S-Bag Boards.Net if our President has any questions about the Truth.
NOTE:
This Forum has "Lots of Fair & Balanced Information Available, With Over 6,000+ Post".....
Plus Many Links to HOA's News and Information.
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Post by Dick Tracy on Sept 27, 2016 2:00:11 GMT -5
June 3rd, 2016 Larrry Lesster Stated in a E-Mail: It was about a year ago now that the issue of the towers in the resort became a source of controversy. When the county initiated the action to have the towers within the resort certified, "I was fully in favor of that action and I spoke and voted accordingly." Based upon our need for an independent website and recognizing the ill-will that existed, among some, toward Mr.stab I felt that it would be prudent for the Board to work toward clarifying SLohA’s relationship with KCnet. It is to that end that’s the Board has been working toward an ownership/ lease agreement with KCnet, over the last several months. There have been several interruptions and delays along way, never any discord on either side, but we are very close to having that agreement in hand.
Do we have a Ownership/Lease Agreement of any type, with the stab's KCNetwork LLc. ?
If you answer is Yes, please supply the Owner/Residents in SLR with,
a Official Copy of said Agreement with the stab's KCNetwork, LLC.
The Residents in SLR Deserve Answer's by Our Elected Board President, You Mr. listerine.
Now is the time to hear the truth...
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Post by Admin on Sept 27, 2016 10:58:57 GMT -5
Dick Tracy posted:
I am 99% certain that the subject Ownership/Lease Agreement is fiction. There is always the 1% and if such an agreement has been entered into behind the backs of owners, it is fraud.
A shout-out to leery will not probably not produce a response; this is the current tact of BOD/Management Co at the insistence of the attorneys for Stmbug Ixx/SLohA. What you could do is a global Official Records Request to see any records involving KCNET. It is my understanding that they do not have to provide any pending working agreements. Request an update to ANY current or proposed agreements and get a statement of some kind for the record. This would serve to update and put SLohA on record as either having something or having nothing--or refusing to say anything-- as in the past.
In my opinion, there is nothing either adopted (fraud) or actively pending. I really don't believe these lawyers would allow SLohA to willingly and knowingly commit a fraudulent act especially in the current litigious environment.
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Post by gusto on Sept 27, 2016 15:32:04 GMT -5
A Game Changer, when Mr. R.B. stab Jr. past was exposed in August of 2015,
by a simple internet search engine.
How Ironic is that!
Cheers Gusto..
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Post by GTO on Jan 4, 2017 21:35:33 GMT -5
Why Give KCNetwork This Sweet Heart Deal !
It Smells So Bad...
It Does Not Matter How You Sugar Coat This Deal, It Still Reeks Of A Insider Deal.
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Part 2 of the Meeting; HighlanderData responses in BLUE
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Is there any written document of any kind that says S-bag owns the towers? That's what I'd like to know.
I'd like to know that. If S-bag owns the towers-I've asked that question, it is up to y'all to make the decision...
I think we should know if S-bag owns the towers or does stab own the towers? Now we have board members here who should be able to answer that question I would think.
Brnd: It's been answered several times, Chrly. S-bag does own the towers. They were given to S-bag. He is drawing up documents now because people requested it and we couldn't find it. We'll get documents.
So if he decides to pull out , the towers stay here.
Brnd: Exactly. He owns the equipment on the towers.
I was just looking through this (stab's CHUG post) and I saw it somewhere and yes apparently he says he did give the towers to S-bag but he also retained an exclusive right to keep everyone else off of them. So you couldn't allow me on your towers. I just saw that in here somewhere
But there's no paperwork...
Bracewell reads from stab's CHUG post:
“To make these expenditures, KCNet required first right of refusal for any other devices on these towers due to potential inter radio interference issues and a need to keep the wind load on a tower under control...
And where's the paperwork?
I think the FCC would have...
No, the FCC doesn't touch these. A privately-owned tower like this, FCC doesn't touch, under 200' the FAA doesn't care and if there is no FCC licensed gear they don't care.
Then you couldn't use the towers?
No, according to Bb...
According to this, it would be a S-bag call.
No No not according to what you just said. If he doesn't have that written somewhere...
He put the dollar up and as far as we know he owns the towers and if he hasn't given them, we don't have any documentation and if he does have the documentation then he's gonna write that in there.
The way I understand it you are proposing to come in a provide the same service for the same price
Yes
How long will that price be locked in?
Prices are not locked for me or him or anyone...
(Side discussion about the nature of business and that the internet market seems to have established a market price where all providers, to stay competitive, are offering very similar prices for similar service to operate effectively and long term)
And, as an engineer with Brighthouse, I can tell you that Brighthouse will not compete with Coast—it's a handshake agreement where you can't have two cable providers in the same system. They will fight Verizon FIOS
I had a thought and it just disappeared...laughter
AT&T will never come in here. They have a very Sm all package 5mgb with limits. They don't have any plant and the plant is needed for cable above and under ground. AT& T has no plant in Polk County. It is Brighthouse, Coast and Verizon. Brighthouse has current analog service in Walk in Water, Nalcrest and that area but there is no two-way communication and it cannot carry high speed internet or TV.
There's rumblings that they are already pulling permits to upgrade that and I can't get a straight answer out of them—even from friends because it affects property prices like an insider trader deal like if they told me they were upgrading in 6 months, I could start buying property and causes property value to go up.
Visitor from South Shore:
Kay c has been down a LOT lately and they put up two towers and they're just stuck in the ground and they said they were going to be put in cement but so far they Hayvn't been and we're at a loss as to why it keeps going out. Do you come over into South Shore?
Yes.
For the same price? Visitor discusses pricing package currently and discusses her Vonage phone service that she wants to keep and wants to know if HighlanderData system will work with Vonage phones.
Yes, I just installed 4 Vonage phones last night in Babson Park and they work like a champ.
As far as the towers in the ground, I would be scared to get on a tower like that. I've climbed 200' towers but …
They are in the middle of the driveway entrance
OK, yes, I noticed them tonight when I pulled out of the gas station.
Does anyone know if Bb stab pays anything to S-bag?
DeeBrnd; No but the internet service at the office and the cameras are "free".
Sounds pretty inexpensive to me.
That ain't much.
I'll do that deal. <laughter> Seriously, if I could get my foot in the door I would provide free office internet if I could put my antennas on your house for free..<more laughter>
DeeBrnd: He also provides a hot spot at clubhouse
We have hot spots all over the place out here...
Can you use the large tower just outside the park on SR60?
The large commercial tower space is highly sought after and very expensive; for me to put my gear on that tower would cost $5-8K a month—just for the tower rental. I am a one man business and cannot carry cost of commercial rental. That's why I put up a minimum number of towers to efficiently service my customers.
What happens to service if you or stab dies?
If the fiber goes to his home, then someone would have to buy his home and continue to run the business from his home. I have a daughter who is en engineering student but there is no guarantee she will want the business.
That's why he (stab) wants the beach house tower.
Fiber feed is not something you can just unplug and move, it is extremely expensive.
If Bb stab's house berns down, southeast Polk county and NONE of his customers will have internet service until the house and the servers are rebuilt and replaced.
The advantage I have is, if I were run over by a car, I am in a commercial location and a commercial business. Any person with technical knowledge could come in an take over the operation and wouldn't have to buy someone's home.
I think that is why he wants to move the tower to the beach house
You still have the problem of fiber feed from the house to the Beach; I have a hard time believing that Level 3 put fiber in your home; that would be against every rule in the book.
His wife lives there would take over his business and then his son in law.
If he gave the towers to the resort he's not stupid and would not let anyone just come and use use them. I think that has to be checked out further.
Of course. In a worse case scenario, I'll start footing the bill and put up a tower at your house if you say OK and give me permission to put up a 50' tower on your personal property. You let me do that and I'll give you free internet and I'll start serving all your neighbors. That's what I'm doing in a lot of places now.
What I would interpret by one of the statements is the towers were not free; they were put up with conditions of returns on investment with the towers and claiming exclusive right--and claiming he gave them to us he didn't give them to us! He allowed us to put them up there and no one else can use them without his approval.
That's what it sounds like to me.
Brnd: Where did you get that from?
The antennas on the towers still belong to Bb
That's what he wrote in his document.
There no more room on those towers..
There are towers here that I would not climb-you couldn't pay me enough to climb one of those tower.
If you put up towers in S-bag, you would probably want that kind of arrangement too (lock down towers). The towers would be for your use only.
Not necessarily. I have been in business a long time. I welcome competition. If someone can do it better than me –more power to ya buddy! I would lock my tower down safety-wise. I would lock my tower down once we hit the maximum wind load-we're done. That's where my break point would be.
Does anyone know if any of the board members have financial involvement in Bb stab's business?
I don't know the answer to that one. I am a sole proprietorship.
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Gary took mic: That is not an issue here; the Board's financial involvement with Kay c is an internal matter and the purpose of this meeting is not to find out about individual financial matters. It is to discuss the possibility of having competition in S-bag. There are at least two things that can happen with competition; The quality of service goes UP and the price of service goes DOWN. That's the name of the game! There is a 3rd possibility—a coalition between the two competitors.
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Does anyone know if any of the board members have financial involvement in Bb stab's business?
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Gary took mic: That is not an issue here; the Board's financial involvement with Kay c is an internal matter and the purpose of this meeting is not to find out about individual financial matters. It is to discuss the possibility of having competition in S-bag. There are at least two things that can happen with competition; The quality of service goes UP and the price of service goes DOWN. That's the name of the game! There is a 3rd possibility—a coalition between the two competitors.Index 34:02 (end quote)
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Post by pestcontrol on Jan 6, 2017 10:29:30 GMT -5
What is all the hoopla about? Remember times before Stmbug Ixx, Inc and our legal fees were $5,000.00 -$6,000.00? Then in came the management company with their own high priced attorneys who convinced the SLohA Board to use their attorneys instead of independent legal council. Think of all the money this one Board action has cost us over the past few years. Now, look at the "great" legal advise we have been given.
So who in their right mind would think that the management company's attorneys would work in the favor of residents when drafting a commercial contract that only benefits the leasee? Not me nor some of my neighbors. Get it straight we are being fleeced.
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Post by jimherbst on Jan 8, 2017 9:38:27 GMT -5
Has anyone else been experiencing problems with the KCNET connection these past few days? Mine is terrible. I'm trying to figure out whether it's an issue with my latop or KCNET's server.
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Post by Dick Tracy on Jan 8, 2017 21:35:09 GMT -5
KCNetWork stated we are nestled among-st the trees on Grey Hackle. Maybe more trees need to be removed, or a addition communication tower needs to be erected above the trees.
Just a thought...
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Post by gusto on Jan 9, 2017 14:04:44 GMT -5
Supply & Demand.
To Much Demand Maybe ?
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Post by jimherbst on Jan 9, 2017 21:09:28 GMT -5
I have just completed a detailed review of the lease agreement between SLohA and KCNET for the towers. There are many extraordinary features about this lease but what struck me most is its lack of standard legalese. This has led me to conclude that the document was NOT drafted by an attorney – or even a paralegal, for that matter. The format does not resemble that of any lease document I have ever seen. It doesn’t even look like one of those fill-in-the-blank forms one can download from the internet for a price. To me, this looks like an amateurish attempt at a legal document.
For what it’s worth…
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Post by Admin on Jan 9, 2017 22:47:20 GMT -5
jimherbst posted:
Jm, I, too, was struck with the amateurish appearance and construction of this Agreement. You have validated my intuition that it was not professionally prepared though it is possible that Gaganese et al might have had a hand in it. I have not found their work product and conduct to be particularly impressive eg. Billy the Kid Riceman, Terror Bearitt and BAdd-Nutcake.
Owner were repeatedly assured by the BOD and Toneesha that "the attorneys were working on it and making sure all the i's were dotted and t's were crossed. Was this yet another lie?
I wonder if SLohA was invoiced for this Agreement and by whom ...
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Post by Admin on Jan 13, 2017 12:53:36 GMT -5
jimherbst posted:
Did you get your signal back? Did you try to get a signal down at the Clubhouse or from another subscriber's home to rule out your laptop as the problem?
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Post by gusto on Jan 16, 2017 22:58:48 GMT -5
KCNetwork's Karma...
What goes around comes around. There is no exact formula that is provided for how and when karmic reactions will appear in our lives, but one can be sure they will appear in some form or other. One may be able to get away with a crime they committed, or avoid paying taxes, but according to karma, no one gets away with anything for long.
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Post by Admin on Jan 17, 2017 11:24:17 GMT -5
Karma Niyama - order of act and result, e.g., desirable and undesirable acts produce corresponding good and bad results. As surely as water seeks its own level so does Karma, given opportunity, produce its inevitable result, not in the form of a reward or punishment but as an innate sequence. This sequence of deed and effect is as natural and necessary as the way of the sun and the moon.
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Post by Dick Tracy on May 13, 2017 20:51:16 GMT -5
Note: More then one lot owner on Grey Hackle believes these KCNet Towers and Antennas on Grey Hackle are just plain wrong.
KcNet ( Robber Stailb & Norly D Brnd) do not care about the decrease in property values on Grey Hackle due to the "ugly appearance"of Robber berns stab's commercial business equipment.
Also the forsaken automobile in the driveway with out any license plate, just adds to the Ugly. What a disgrace.
IMO, Mr. stab (KCNetwork ISP & Norly D Brnd) have total disregard for their neighbors, community,
and the property values on Grey Hackle.
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Post by Admin on May 13, 2017 22:13:33 GMT -5
Dick Tracy posted:
That is obvious and supported by the following facts ( I may have some of the years off or more likely they just bleed together). Let's take a short reminder stroll of Shameful Memories and Illegal Actions against Owners perpeptrated by stab and his SLohA partners and other investors:
2007-Asked SLohA to give him a loan for KCNetwork business and was denied. This was 3 years before LWW went out of business
2009-Engineered and marketed a straw vote for "importance of internet" in 2009. Later, owners cried "Foul" when this opinion survey question was used as a basis to force internet in S-bag by a private business.
2010-Convinced the board that his Grey Hackle tower was a "ham operator" structure and allowed by the FCC and there was nothing that SLohA could do about it. SLohA did not fact-check and bought the half-truth.
2010-Convinced the board to allow an intra-community, Sm all Ntwerk of existing towers to be improved for restoration of internet service after LWW went out of business. Ostensible reason: to serve Office, to serve Maintenance and to serve member subscribers.
2011-Attempted, in collusion with other board members, to shove mandatory internet service down owners' throats and add to assessment fee
2011-Installed internet tower at tennis courts without board discussion or member approval.
2012-Attempted, in collusion and deception with other board members, to manipulate the ballot, by an illegal dual-proposition to approve mandatory internet. Publicly threatened to S u e owners who opposed his project.
2013-Captured room in new annex for purposes of Kay c equipment, not accessible to members who paid for it, and without discussion or approval of members at board meeting.
2013-More towers installed in Storage Yard, raised at Bathhouse and installed on D-Bag's house. No mention of private business-occupation on owner common property at meetings or approved by members
2013-Attended, without parties' invitation, a mediation meeting between parties: Owner and SLohA. SLohA directors dragged stab to the meeting who subsequently disrupted the meeting and insulted Owner. The Owner's attorney remarked upon his crude and rude behavior and adjourned the meeting.
2014-End run around owners by the Board, in collusion with other SLohA investors, to seize common property for purpose of legitimizing an illegal commercial operation. The application was made by stab and DBag in May after snowbirds returned north, thus denying owners opportunity to attend public hearings.
2014-Maneuvered the county to approve raising of towers to new heights and approve an additional tower AT THE BEACH. All without the support of owners or discussion at a meeting.
2014-Grey Hackle starts to look like Sanford & Sons with multiple overloaded towers and equipment junk all over the lot.
2014-Parking area at the Beach dominated by work contractors vehicles and roadside congested on Grey Hackle with continual comings and goings of contractors, deliveries.
2014-Owners complain about eyesores and nuisances, 28 Grey Hackle is no longer occupied by stabs and does not comply with Polk County Home Business Code. County does nothing.
2014-KCNetwork brags about establishing a State wide internet distribution run from inside S-bag. Begins to offer subscription services to around 2000 outside customers.
2015-stab does not bother to support revitalization of SLohA covenants; did not submit a ballot nor attend a Hot Dog Rally or buy a Booster Teeshirt. (Why would he want covenants in place so he could be sued for a violation?)
2015-stab lied about Polk County requesting tower space for an emergency dish. This request was the basis for raising the Tennis Court tower another 20 feet. This was subsequently found to be untrue as independently verified with Polk County Emergency Services.
2015-Owner-arranged internet meeting held, stab did not attend and sent his partner, D-Bag who finally admitted that the Bill of Sale of towers to SLohA had been "lost" and would have to be created ..uh "reproduced".
2016-Sanford & Son becomes a public nuisance with an algae-encrusted, non-registered, non-operative vehicle parked in front. Place looks like a forgotten teardown structure. SLohA does nothing.
2016-KCNetwork and leery listerine enter SLohA into a shockingly one-sided Lease and Sale Agreement which requires SLohA to pay KCNetwork for internet! This contract was never ratified by the board and remains an unexecuted contract by Team Virginia stab (the Bb stab proxy) and leery listerine who may one day need to explain his actions for illegally binding SLohA Owners to KCNetwork's private commercial business.
2017- Kay c Ntwerk interrupts service of two owner-subscribers without cause. An owner complained and was told Virginia's sensibilities were offended based on a third party report and caused her to pull the plug. The 2nd owner tried on many many occasions to get service restored and was continually delayed for two weeks; service finally restored.
2017-stab moves the official business operation to a storage facility outside the park and enters another business's address as his own on the public record with Secretary of State. Calls it a "Suite". It is a mailbox and no legal service of process can be served at that location.
Throughout all those years, there has been unrelenting pushback of owners against:
...the twice-attempted capture of our assessment dollars,
...the use of SLohA assessment dollars and employees to build tower infrastructure and pay administrative county and legal costs,
...the legitimization of commerce inside the park against the Covenants (assisted and condoned by the Board),
...the degradation of the Grey Hackle neighborhood,
...the destruction of our old oak trees to give KCNetwork better signals,
...and seizure of our common properties to install ugly metal towers
...entwining SLohA HOA business by making deals with a convicted felon (bank fraud).
The response by the bandits: "We will do whatever we want without your permission."
So that, in a nutshell, is a shortform summary of factual evidence that stab and Gang DO NOT CARE about the S-bag community nor their neighbors.
Now, it is conjectured that even more SLohA property is slated to be dedicated to the exclusive use of Kay c Ntwerk, though that shoreline area across the lake was not included in the county permit application. We sH all see; though, based on historical patterns, all KCNetwork activity occurs after the snowbirds have left the property and work can proceed in relative invisibility. The fact that access to the property was "unexpectedly provided" without any prior discussion, raises the index of suspicion that SLohA has plans to give KCNetwork access to that shoreline via a real road.
Think of that..after all this time--40+ years and suddenly a road access! Serendippity?
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