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Post by Admin on Sept 15, 2016 14:41:44 GMT -5
I have just been advised that SLohA prevailed in the HUD complaint. It's over. Gngr and Lra did not prove, to the high threshold of the law, that SLohA's behavior over the last 2 years was due to sexual preference.
No matter WHAT the outcome of this decision, there is no cause for joy. Today, the legal gods have favored SLohA. It is my hope that we all take a minute and reflect on what has happened to our neighbors and our neighborhood and that the spirit of peace and goodwill will return to our community.
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Post by Admin on Sept 15, 2016 21:29:22 GMT -5
The HUD Complaint was based on two provisions of FL Fair Housing Act:
Chapter 760 DISCRIMINATION IN THE TREATMENT OF PERSONS; MINORITY REPRESENTATION
760.23 Discrimination in the sale or rental of housing and other prohibited practices.—
(2) It is unlawful to discriminate against any person in the terms, conditions, or privileges of sale or rental of a dwelling, or in the provision of services or facilities in connection therewith, because of race, color, national origin, sex, handicap, familial status, or religion. History.—s. 5, ch. 83-221; s. 2, ch. 84-117; s. 2, ch. 89-321.
760.37
760.37 Interference, coercion, or intimidation; enforcement by administrative or civil action.—It is unlawful to coerce, intimidate, threaten, or interfere with any person in the exercise of, or on account of her or his having exercised, or on account of her or his having aided or encouraged any other person in the exercise of any right granted under ss. 760.20-760.37. This section may be enforced by appropriate administrative or civil action. History.—s. 12, ch. 83-221; s. 9, ch. 89-321; s. 1142, ch. 97-102.
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Post by Admin on Sept 15, 2016 21:54:52 GMT -5
Soon after learning about the Admin judge's recommendation, I received this from Lra who said it was OK to put on the forum:
I am looking into a vehicle to bring forum readers the entire 317-page transcript. Stay tuned...
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2016 10:14:07 GMT -5
This was posted on the slresort.net website, poster unidentified, though it sounds the lawyers' language:
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Post by Admin on Dec 9, 2016 0:24:49 GMT -5
leery listerine posted:
Let us not distance ourselves too far from facts. This complaint was against the actions of named individuals acting on behalf of SLohA. SLohA is a corporation and cannot engage in egregious behavior but when its agents misbehave, the corporation must be drawn into the dispute. We should never forget that it was the PEOPLE in S-bag who caused the complaint. At this level of review and in the restrictive agency arena, the complaint failed to satisfy the very high standards of legal evidence.
Be gleeful, leery, for the "victory" but be assured that there are many who believe these individuals are NOT INNOCENT. They have caused unconscionable heartache to responsible, loving and generous neighbors and caused tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and 100's of wasted hours of effort that could have been put toward positive goals for our community! These individuals have been fortunate to have dodged a significant legal bullet --thanks to the efforts of high-priced lawyers paid for by Saddlebaggers!
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Post by Lra on Dec 9, 2016 8:04:59 GMT -5
leery listerine posted: Let us not distance ourselves too far from facts. This complaint was against the actions of named individuals acting on behalf of SLohA. SLohA is a corporation and cannot engage in egregious behavior but when its agents misbehave, the corporation must be drawn into the dispute. We should never forget that it was the PEOPLE in S-bag who caused the complaint. At this level of review and in the restrictive agency arena, the complaint failed to satisfy the very high standards of legal evidence. Be gleeful, leery, for the "victory" but be assured that there are many who believe these individuals are NOT INNOCENT. They have caused unconscionable heartache to responsible, loving and generous neighbors and caused tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and 100's of wasted hours of effort that could have been put toward positive goals for our community! These individuals have been fortunate to have dodged a significant legal bullet --thanks to the efforts of high-priced lawyers paid for by Saddlebaggers!On October 16, 2016, under the anti - descrimination laws there is a clear legal definition of "hostile living environment". This came too late for our case, but will have severe impact on some of the practice within SLohA and hold Board members to a higher standard. So, if you hear or utter the words "dark side " "evil" "I hope you house berns down" or engage in vandalism against your neighbor on his or her home or burn a cross on a neighbor's lawn, you may and will be prosecuted. But more profoundly, SLohA will be held liable and accountable for NOT taking action if they have any awareness or practice of these acts. So when leery listerine testifies that "Oh yes, we called them the dark side" and Jade Rite steps into a person's face and says "You are and evil woman" or Peet Brdun announcing to people "That if it weren't for their lifestyle there would be no lawsuit " or Clf Jnsn laughingly referring to others who opposed the Board in social settings in very negative ways---that will now be very major basis for TARGETING someone and creating a hostile environment. My recommendation to the Board is to move this all into a positive growth and learning experience by stepping up to the plate and educating ALL of S-bag as to the new interpretation and what we can all do to put all of this ugliness behind us and try to be a fully united community serving All Association members not just a simple majority. You can do your part by never saying or uttering evil, hateful, divisive words about your neighbors. As a final major point SLohA prevailed ONLY because (with the exception on leery listerine ' s testimony) the rest of the actions were outside the very limited 365 days allotted from dates of incidents to date of the amended complaint filed. NOT BECAUSE THESE ACT DID NOT OCCUR. Also, if you feel targeted in any way, inform in writing the management and the Board. Failure of either to respond holds them both culpable and responsible.
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Post by Admin on Dec 13, 2016 23:29:58 GMT -5
Predictably, SLR Owners did not receive ALL the pertinent information regarding the dismissal of the HUD complaint. S-bag DID NOT get its attorney fees and costs awarded to it by the Human Rights Commission. Here is the portion of the Final Order 16-605 on 12/12 which states this:
The full Final Order is here: 16-065.pdf (239.17 KB)
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Post by gusto on Dec 14, 2016 1:50:03 GMT -5
Predictably, SLR Owners did not receive ALL the pertinent information regarding the dismissal of the HUD complaint. "Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive".. Sir Walter Scot Yes, I'll Drink To That ... Cheers !
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Post by jimherbst on Dec 14, 2016 4:40:54 GMT -5
I am not an attorney but, based upon my experience in government, I agree that an administrative law judge cannot award damages or force the losing party to pay attorney fees. An administrative law judge is not a "court of record". His/her power is limited to determining if a law has been broken and, if so, issue sanctions against the defendant as prescribed by law, (such as ordering the defendant to undertake affirmative action to prevent future violations). In order to recover attorney fees, the winning side must file a lawsuit in circuit court. Moreover, state laws usually limit the amount of attorney fees that can be recovered based upon a "reasonability" standard.
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Post by jimherbst on Feb 1, 2017 15:53:06 GMT -5
Speaking of lawsuits involving government, a common defense used by a municipality is a motion claiming that the alleged act by the municipal official was outside of his/her agency. For example if a police officer was speeding back to the station for lunch and caused a fatal accident, the municipality might claim that it had written rules regarding when a police officer was permitted to engage in "hot pursuit" , and that if the defendant officer was speeding, he/she was disobeying departmental rules. In simple language, the municipality is saying that the officer is on his/her own to defend against the plaintiffs claim. The reason I bring this up relates to the hue and cry among many Saddlebaggers that our HOA fees are rising due to the high cost of defending against lawsuits. Since this was a Civil Rights case, it seems to me that - as an opening gambit - SLohA's attorney's would file a motion stating that the alleged actions of these Board members would be in violation of stated policy (such a policy of non-discrimination would have been part of SLohA's application for the SBA loan). If such a motion were to be filed and the hearing body agreed, SLohA would have been removed as a defendant at a relatively low legal cost. Then it would be up to the remaining defendants to defend against the claim. A second point regarding this discrimination claim is that it was only a claim, not a full lawsuit. As a former city manager I once found myself having to deal with a claim in front of the State of Wisconsin's EEOC involving a charge of discrimination in hiring. Ironically, the claim was brought by a person who was one of the applicants for the city manager's job. But rather than spending City money for lawyers (our City Attorney was not a full time employee but, rather, a law firm on retainer ), I answered the claim myself. I produced the written job description/job qualifications that had been prepared by a UW Professor of Government for the the City prior to its advertising for the position opening. Based upon that job description, the EEOC ruled that the complainant did not meet the legitimate minimum job qualifications and, therefore, had no case. So the case was resolved in the City's favor at virtually no cost, other than a few hours of my time. Again, I question why we had to spend so much on legal fees when all that was needed was testimony under oath by those Board members accused of making discriminatory statements that no such statements were ever made. Unless there were corroborating witnesses to those alleged statements, the administrative judge hearing the case would have issued a summary judgement in favor of the defendants. If there were corroborating witnesses, there still should not have been any legal cost to SLohA because the Board members alleged to have made such discriminatory statements would have been in violation of SLohA's written policy. As such those Board members would be on their own to defend their actions, and SLohA would bear no further liability. One final note... The reason municipalities (and corporations, for that matter) seek an initial motion to be taken off the list of defendants (or"respondents") is because the plaintiff/complainant ) is seeking "deep pockets". If those deep pockets are removed the plaintiff's attorneys have little interest in pursuing the case and, therefor, encourage their client to settle. Again, that results in very low costs to the plaintiff. Just sayin'...
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Post by Admin on Feb 2, 2017 11:39:25 GMT -5
jimherbst: You offer some interesting points. Alternative Acts! (Not Alternative Facts) In the autopsy of this expensive fiasco, there were several roads not taken when parties were presented with choices. Some of them I cannot discuss because I am a third party and I will let that party comment. There were other paths that could have been pursued, but were rejected by a vengeful Manager, overzealous Management company and greedy and hyperaggressive attorneys. Obviously, road construction started with my complaint to the BOD about slandering my title. BOD were advised to ignore me. When they finally heard from my attorney, who provided a title search, they chose to believe the Management Company lawyers who advised them that "it was a grey area of law" and assumed that I did not have the money to pursue the matter. They were wrong on both counts. The second critical road divergence that I can talk about is also firsthand. I reviewed the Revitalization Document package prior to the Revite Meeting attended by BOD and several Management company attorneys. I discussed one specific fatal flaw with friends and emailed my attorney. One of those friends hand-delivered a written note to a board member which specifically cited the fatal flaw. The board member was observed sharing the note with other board members and attorneys. The board members chose to ignore it. Four months later, the owner who delivered the message was sued by SLohA for having a porch on the front of her new home. When the then-president, Peet Brdun, was questioned about the "porch rule", he stated he had no idea why this was a "rule" or the rationale behind it. At the time, at least a dozen other doublewides had porches on the front of their homes, without dire consequences to HOA or neighbors. Once again, the BOD was swayed by attorneys who expected the owners to bend over. Your comments convey the strategic legal moves that are available to parties in a dispute that were not pursued by Management Company attorneys. There are many legal and common sense rules; the most important of which is communication. This could have been nipped in the Bd back in 2013 when I offered to meet with Peet Brdun to discuss the title slander problem. It could have cost the Association about $10 to remove the Preservation on my parcel. The Association could have then chosen to "man up" and admit that Covenants had expired, explained the need to revitalize and moved on. Blocking owners out of the conversation may have been due to any number of reasons; in my mind it was due to the BOD's grander purpose of "demonstrating superiority by example", FEAR, and megamanical egos. In the final analysis, we all act according to our currency--that which is valuable, meaningful and gratifying. In this instance, the BOD's duty was to set aside its individual and collective currency in favor of the protection of all the members' interests. It was their fiduciary duty to pursue all alternative avenues before spending MEGABUCKS of Member Money on lawyers. As my lawyer said, "if you people could work out your problems, you wouldn't need me". From the Road Not Taken:
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Post by jimherbst on Feb 2, 2017 20:17:07 GMT -5
If my memory serves me correctly, S u e, once this dispute between you and the Board was taken over by the attorneys for our insurance carrier, they quickly concluded that the position of the Board was indefensible and,therefore, they requested to re-open mediation for the purpose of seeking an out-of-court settlement. This demonstrates the difference between in-house legal counsel vs outside counsel. There is no incentive for outside counsel to expedite the process because the longer litigation continues, the greater are their billable hours. On the other hand, in-house lawyers such as corporation counsel, insurance company attorneys and city attorneys are on straight salary. In order to manage their workloads, in-house counsel must constantly assess the probability of success vs time constraints. I strongly suspect that the high legal costs SLohA has been experiencing these past few years are a result of "milking" by our attorneys combined with a clueless and truculent Board of Directors. Bottom line, "the fault lies not within our stars, dear Brutus, but in ourselves".
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