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Post by courious on Jun 8, 2014 20:05:48 GMT -5
Question: May 14, 2014 minutes had the Board say ALL violations were to be addressed. Does that mean the Board will lead by example and that doesn't De B will start by cutting 16" off of his home as it is 15'6" and will fill in his basement to be within 1200 sq. ft?
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Post by BagLady on Jun 8, 2014 23:35:46 GMT -5
There was a variance granted for a few basements in SLR. That is the method a few owners found to dismiss the SLohA covenant restriction problem, which of course, makes no reference to manufactured homes much less to basements under them. Just apply for a variance for anything you desire and be prepared for the pterodactyl screech from 499. I guess he should get his chainsaw ready to bring his home in compliance with the so-called "rules" but, I am equally certain that that will be selectively UN-enforced. From Polk County Property Appraiser: BAS BASE AREA 1152 UBT UBT UNFINISHED BASEMENT 50% 576 PTO PTO PATIO OR SLAB 10% 40 Land Planner on Call at 863-534-6084, or by email: planneroncall@polk-county.net.
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Post by Just Facts on Jun 9, 2014 12:39:40 GMT -5
There was a variance granted for a few basements in SLR. That is the method a few owners found to dismiss the SLohA covenant restriction problem, which of course, makes no reference to manufactured homes much less to basements under them. Just apply for a variance for anything you desire and be prepared for the pterodactyl screech from 499. I guess he should get his chainsaw ready to bring his home in compliance with the so-called "rules" but, I am equally certain that that will be selectively UN-enforced. From Polk County Property Appraiser: BAS BASE AREA 1152 UBT UBT UNFINISHED BASEMENT 50% 576 PTO PTO PATIO OR SLAB 10% 40 Land Planner on Call at 863-534-6084, or by email: planneroncall@polk-county.net. And getting sicker by the day. Have you ever considered seeking help?
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Post by Admin on Jun 13, 2014 11:36:33 GMT -5
Baglady said: Baglady failed to attach the documentation that relates to the PUD (Planned Unit Development) changes for SLR. I chastised her for disorganization and she finally found it. PUD73-08 & 7112 SADDLEBAG LAKE RESORT.pdf (78.86 KB)
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Post by gusto on Jun 14, 2014 0:07:28 GMT -5
Did Our Board have a Meeting on June 11. Wed.? Did anybody record the meeting? I can not find any Minutes, as of Saturday AM. Please share any information !!!
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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2014 20:31:14 GMT -5
Way to go, BOD! Once again, BOD ignores their attorney. Almost the entirety of page 3 of the draft minutes was devoted to commenting on (lawsuits?) between SLohA and owners, which their attorney told them not to do.
There is only ONE litigation that is currently in effect--my own. It is based on the expiration of covenants on my lot and filed in March 2014. It has been turned over to the insurance company's attorney. There has been no progress.
The Ath's have gone through Florida-mandated mediation. Their attorney left it to the Board to ponder their options over the summer. Despite BOD's protestations on the registered location of the business entity (not a disputed fact) and the fact that no ISP in their right mind would offer services to SLR under the current conditions (a reasonable thesis), BOD is not enforcing the Covenants against commercial activity and will have to answer to that eventually.
Lchrn-I have a phone call in to him for an update on his status and will follow up.
Tmyk and Astn-There is no St age of litigation presently related to their home on 66SS.
The relief sought by these ladies was a restraining order against SLohA's manager for harassment. The facts were clearly in evidence; however, the court did not admit this evidence, finding no physical injury had occurred. The judge dismissed the request for a restraining order. It was not the right court for the complaint.
Of all these disputes, there are only two that still have covenants on their lot--the Ath's and Lchrn.
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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2014 21:20:00 GMT -5
This lot had covenants reimposed by personal deed prepared by an attorney in 2000, so covenants, rules and regs are still in effect.
I wonder if this carport was approved and permitted by Polk County.
There may be a due process problem of one entity (BOD) being "judge, jury and persecutor/executioner". Most HOA's are established with independent Architectural Review Committees who receive requests for variances and exercise some focused inquiry with the various agencies involved before making a recommendation to Grnt or deny a variance. Generally, if a variance is granted or denied, the rationale is also recorded, in writing, as to the considerations and findings of a variance inquiry (aside from mindless adherence to a rule).
I do not recall reading any Minutes that correspondence was sent to BOD by the homeowner requesting a variance--yet the BODSQUAD summarily denied the "variance". Does anyone know--was a variance ever requested by the homeowner?
Of course, there is everyone's favorite--selective enforcement--an issue that will undoubtedly come back to bedevil the BOD.
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Post by BagLady on Jun 19, 2014 21:31:35 GMT -5
From the Minutes: Uh, the three Plat Covenants were recorded in the 70's. The "1986 Covenant" you referred to in the Minutes makes you look foolish. The referenced document was titled and referenced within as an amendment to the Covenants--and an illegal one at that-- since the REAL Covenants contained no provision giving members the right to amend.
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Post by BagLady on Jun 19, 2014 21:48:46 GMT -5
Wondering where that statement came from. Due process may take a long time but it is not defined or required to take a long time. There are many faces to what "due process" means, but nowhere is it defined by "time".
The words "due process" have as their central promise an assurance that all levels of American government must operate within the law ("legality") and provide fair procedures. It necessarily takes time.
The clause also promises that before depriving a citizen of life, liberty or property, government must follow fair procedures. Thus, it is not always enough for the government just to act in accordance with whatever law there may happen to be. Citizens may also be entitled to have the government observe or offer fair procedures, whether or not those procedures have been provided for in the law on the basis of which it is acting. Action denying the process that is “due” would be unconstitutional.
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Post by Lra on Jun 19, 2014 22:25:05 GMT -5
CLARIFICATION: THE OWNERS OF 66 SILVERSIDES RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM Melonknee K IN WRITE G (architectural committee of one) PRIOR TO PURCHASING THEIR $100,000.00+ UNIT AND HAD IT AGAIN APPROVED AND ALLOWED INTO SLohA BY Melonknee K ON FEBRUARY 18, 2014. THIS UNIT IS NO LARGER THANK Mik Lanoose'S, Peet ROSE'S, Jm FoolDay'S Jm MELON'S, ETC. What exactly can the Board not understand about the word APPROVED. I dare each Board member to look inside his or her heart and ask the question: "Would you risk the very last monies you will ever have on a gamble? Gngr and I came here because we love S-bag. We did not come here to fight or do anything other than live in peace and harmony. What about you fellow Saddlebaggers?
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Post by BagLady on Jun 20, 2014 1:20:57 GMT -5
I did not come here because I loved S-bag. I came here after my husband died because I had friends here. Because of that friendship, we visited S-bag annually as we headed north out of Florida. I grew to appreciate S-bag and, over time, I grew to like it a lot. I especially liked the beautiful trees on the property and the sand hill cranes. I also liked the rural nature of the park; no city noises or commercial developments surrounded the community--only fragrant orange trees, wildlife and water. And a nearby Walmart. People socialized on golf carts, waved to each other and called out greetings. It seemed like a pleasant place to make new friends.
In 2006, I discussed the possibility of buying a lot in S-bag, but husband was adamant that he did not want to own property controlled by an Association.
After he passed away, I wanted to restart life in a new place and create new memories. My S-bag friends kept their eyes open for a suitable resale for me. I came here with what I believed were reasonable expectations about a new town and lifestyle. Having served on a condo board, I felt prepared for the few restrictions of living in an HOA. I liked that SLR was self-managed by the owners themselves. I eagerly anticipated the blossoming of SLR into a carefree, hedonistic park during the winter snowbird season, but was quiet, low-key and nearly deserted during the summers. I expected to enjoy some of the amenities though I am not a "joiner" by nature. I was confident I would make new friends and enjoy my new life in S-bag. So many things to like!
Reality often comes up short of hopes and dreams. Am I disappointed in the way things are going now? Yes. However, I was brought up to believe in duty first--then you earn the right to relax and play. My duty to my personal and financial obligations has temporarily pre-empted my potential for total enjoyment of the community that I chose and learned to love over time. I regard SLR as my home--and the fact that there is "trouble" does not diminish my appreciation of the many positive qualities that attracted me in the first place-- nor does it alter the affection and loyalties I have developed for my S-bag friends over the years.
Like Lra and Gngr--and like most folks whose circumstances guided them to S-bag to live out their retirement years--I came to SLR wanting and expecting attractive surroundings, harmony with neighbors and relaxing good times with friends. I am optimistic about the future despite the unexpected bumps in the road.
I am glad you asked that question; there is much misunderstanding by some people who live/vacation here. I hope to hear about the journeys of others whose paths in life led them to S-bag.
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Post by Anon. Owner on Jun 20, 2014 9:19:15 GMT -5
CLARIFICATION: THE OWNERS OF 66 SILVERSIDES RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM Mln K IN WRITE G (architectural committee of one) PRIOR TO PURCHASING THEIR $100,000.00+ UNIT AND HAD IT AGAIN APPROVED AND ALLOWED INTO SLohA BY Mln K ON FEBRUARY 18, 2014. THIS UNIT IS NO LARGER THANK Mik Lanoose'S, Peet ROSE'S, Jm FoolDay'S Jm MELON'S, ETC. What exactly can the Board not understand about the word APPROVED. I dare each Board member to look inside his or her heart and ask the question: "Would you risk the very last monies you will ever have on a gamble? Gngr and I came here because we love S-bag. We did not come here to fight or do anything other than live in peace and harmony. What about you fellow Saddlebaggers?
There is a house at 25 S.T.N. that is also over the allowed dimensions of 24' X 48'--it's more like 60 feet long. This homeowner got approval from the manager to put in this size house; also, another resident told me that this owner's back porch extends 2 feet into the greenway--but it would have to be measured to verify this.
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Post by courious on Jun 21, 2014 8:27:16 GMT -5
Just spent some time comforting a fellow S-bag resident (Lra Tmyk) who has discovered that Board members are very cruel in public by not even acknowledging her as a person and resident here. Thanks for the inhuman and objectifying attitude. She has already gone over the edge once. Will suicide suit you folks?
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Post by observer on Jun 21, 2014 8:45:40 GMT -5
It is very hard being on the opposite side of management and board, I'm sure you realize. The constant harassments of lawsuits, "get even" threats, damage to property etc. LT has had more than her share. It is even harder if one is sensitive. The manbod has put out several rumors about Lra that are unfounded. She is a caring, cheery person and has always had great respect.
This particular manbod is unbelievably cruel, inconsiderate and lacking in empathy with their fellow man/woman. Most of them call themselves Christians... What a joke. If you see them in church tell them they are a bunch of hypocrites and Christianity is a show to them. What a bunch of jerks.
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Post by Facts on Jun 21, 2014 12:08:13 GMT -5
It is very hard being on the opposite side of management and board, I'm sure you realize. The constant harassments of lawsuits, "get even" threats, damage to property etc. LT has had more than her share. It is even harder if one is sensitive. The manbod has put out several rumors about Lra that are unfounded. She is a caring, cheery person and has always had great respect.
This particular manbod is unbelievably cruel, inconsiderate and lacking in empathy with their fellow man/woman. Most of them call themselves Christians... What a joke. If you see them in church tell them they are a bunch of hypocrites and Christianity is a show to them. What a bunch of jerks. Talk about being hypocritical. She has thumbed her nose at the BOD, flipped them off, and even got in one directors' face and said F*you and called him be name right in front of his peers. I don't blame the Board member for not wanting to associate with someone as evil as she is. They had three options to bring their home into compliance and refused all of them because she didn't want to let her friends down. She could have (1) moved her porch to the rear of the unit, (2) she could have traded for a corner lot and (3) the builder offered to take that unit out and build them a new one that would comply with S-bag rules. I don't have a judgement as to her life style, I'll leave that up to God, but I can't stand to look at her myself and want nothing to do with her only because of her attitude that she can do anything she wants in S-bag and nobody can do anything about it. I truly hope the Board presses forward with enforcing the rules. So go do your observing of something else and leave the cry baby alone.
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Post by BagLady on Jun 21, 2014 12:23:34 GMT -5
In my many wanderings on HOA-related website, legal blogs, forums, op-eds, I have been confounded by the evil deeds wrought by people "serving" on HOA/condo boards. In all cases so far, I have always thought "Thank goodness OURS is not that bad!". Now, I believe that SLohA is moving into the Truly Troubled Zone of HOA's run by sociopathic personalities with visions of their own grandeur, abandonment of the principles of fiduciary duty and absence of humility. This BOD is threatened and is launching warning shots across the bow. Have they declared war on owners? I hear others say "Well THIS one is the real problem--not THAT one! Get rid of HIM!" I don't buy it. All BOD's are equally guilty for the evil they are creating and sustaining within this community. Even if one secretly disagrees with what fellow directors are doing to this community, they are all equally guilty and should be held accountable for the outcome. There is a Chinese Morality Proverb which uses monkeys who "See no evil, Hear no evil and Speak no evil" to illustrate. There is a lesser-known 4th monkey-who characterizes "Do no Evil". In the western world, the phrase is often used to refer to those who deal with impropriety by looking the other way, refusing to acknowledge or feigning ignorance. Attachment DeletedI thought it might be timely to revisit that proverb, which was first published in the NewsHound October 2011. The ancient Chinese proverb, in western society, is said to describe people who don't want to be involved. It's about "avoidance-thinking" and refusing to acknowledge things we should be acting on. I believe that this attitude is at the root of many problems we are facing as a community, as well as a nation. We have become spectators in dramas that very much affect and touch every one of our lives, only to become hyper-reactive when our rights have been thoroughly violated and it is then too late. Participation in society is a privilege and a requirement for proper representation in our governments, whether national, state, city or HOA . It has been proven time and time again throughout our recorded histories that human nature leads us to abuse power when it goes unchecked, unquestioned and undisputed. Ask yourself: "Am I wise-or foolish-to say/do nothing? True wisdom requires an openness to change and a willingness to have our ideas cH allenged— we must "see" things that we would rather not see and we must "hear" unfamiliar and uncomfortable things. Meaningful participation as a member of a larger group requires us to speak up for our and others' welfare during times of trouble.
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Post by Dick Tracy on Jun 21, 2014 15:11:10 GMT -5
Facts Guess stated:
"I truly hope the Board presses forward with enforcing the rules."
I Hope our BOD's does their Duty and gets This Commercial Business KCN removed from Grey-Hackle. Now that is A Major Covenant Violation, and our BOD's looks the other way, because in my opinion our BOD & Management have encourage KCN to expand his Business in SLR. If you do not like 66 SS's Porch.[which I think looks great] Please go Look at the 30 ft.plus Eye Sore on Grey-Hackle. Trimmed with Ugly Antennas. How would you like to live across the street from that Ugly Looking Tower, boy what a nice view from one's front porch.
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Post by BagLady on Jun 21, 2014 22:47:31 GMT -5
I'll save our Guests a trip. Here are some photos of the lovely view of ugly towers dominating the landscape in our residential neighborhood. Attachment Deleted Attachment Deleted Attachment DeletedOwners are assured that this is allowed under FCC Ham Radio Operator permissions. Ham Radio Operators (Mr Stb is currently licensed as one) are permitted to erect "personal transmission antennas". Anyone think this looks like a "personal transmission antenna"? How many dishes/antennas can you count?
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Post by Admin on Nov 2, 2017 16:20:14 GMT -5
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