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Nov 23, 2013 15:18:02 GMT -5
Post by BagLady on Nov 23, 2013 15:18:02 GMT -5
The post on the bulletin board of the November 2013 agenda---$190K for sewer lateral repairs. If MANBOD is budgeting $190K for the job, you can be pretty certain it will run at least a quarter million.
Do I imagine that we were assured back when the water laterals were being replaced that the sewer laterals had "just been done" or they were OK. Something like that. Anyone remember? I will have to go look it up; I think it was in the Farabee report.
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Nov 24, 2013 4:38:58 GMT -5
Post by Dick Tracy on Nov 24, 2013 4:38:58 GMT -5
If the Sewer Lateral repairs are located in the same areas that Tkr dug up last year before the paving project. Then most likely damage was done to the Sewer Laterals during and more then likely after the back filling of the open trenches. I do not know the location of the needed repairs, but if the repairs are near the previous trench sites, Tkr's short cuts taken to get the project completed maybe the cause of sewer lateral failures. First the trenches were not compacted correctly, some of the residents with trenching knowledge, told the BOD & Management many times that the compaction of the back-fill was not up to code. Tkr was dumping 3&4 ft. of back fill dirt and then, they would compact the fill dirt some. Add a couple more feet and compact, get to the surface and compact 1 ft at time. The compaction needs to start at the Bottom of the trench, and then compact the back fill at 1 foot levels at a time. You Do Not Compact 3 or 4 feet of fill dirt at a time. It is impossible to do with the equipment Tkr had on the Job Site to properly compact 3/4 ft. of back fill. Management was told many, many, many times by several different residents, that what Tkr was doing was Wrong... Period... So what happens when you dig a 4ft, 6ft, 8ft, and a 10ft open trench to make repairs and then you take short cuts in Compacting The Fill Dirt? Well the soil settles on the Sewer Laterals, and you have movement, that may cause any Lines in that Ditch to Fail, Water Lines, Sewer Lines, Sewer Laterals. Now this past "Summer in SLR we had Record Amounts of Rain", almost every day it rained. Now some of the rain water filters into the Lake, the largest amount of the Rain, filters into the Soil, when the soil is saturate with rain water, the water table level in the ground rises. Then when the water table in the ground resides, the Back Fill Dirt in those close trenches, that were not Compacted to Standard Specs., the soil compacts as the underground water resides. Which can put pressure on any water,or sewer lines, which are now being naturally compacted by the drop in the water table, which causes soil movement. Have you notice all of the high and low areas in SLR's New Tkr Paved Roads, you can feel them in your Golf Cart, or you can really see them with your cars head lamps at night. The head lamps really hi-lites the compressions in the roadway. Those low areas in the roadway are due from Tkr's Poor Soil Compaction and from Paving Directly Over Dirt.... In years to come it will get only worse. Remember SLR had record rain fall this past Summer, the soil was saturated with water, and we had Heavy Trash Trucks coming into SLR, 4 days a week, the heavy trucks also help to compact the soil, which puts lots of pressure on any type on pipes, under none compacted soil, the heavy trucks assist in the compaction. Check it out, drive around SLR at night, and your car's head lamps on, they will show you the picture..... Plus this Sewer Lateral Fix, most likely will be a no bid contract to Tkr... Tkr is a Do It All Local Contractor. And Tkr's Track Record speaks for itself... 8-( We Get It Done, But It May Take Several Tries Before It Is Done Right...
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Nov 25, 2013 8:31:33 GMT -5
Post by Sewer Seeker on Nov 25, 2013 8:31:33 GMT -5
Interesting technical and historical information. Seems like we need to find out exactly where the sewer failures are located. Also, where is the engineering report that was done on this widespread lateral failure?
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Nov 26, 2013 5:53:58 GMT -5
Post by BagLady on Nov 26, 2013 5:53:58 GMT -5
From BOD Minutes November 2013:
That's IT? That's the explanation?
At least owners were not placated with the "spontaneous occult sinkhole" explanation like they were with the "spontaneous combustion" rationale for raiding the lockers.
I am wondering where is the engineering documentation on this problem. Seems to me if owners are gonna fork over another quarter million for yet another T job, there should at least be a professional signed off on the nature of the problem and recommendation for a fix.
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Nov 26, 2013 8:13:36 GMT -5
Post by New Owner on Nov 26, 2013 8:13:36 GMT -5
I am a new owner to S-bag and bought when the paving project was underway, I thought the sewer lateral work was being done ahead of the paving ?
Can anyone tell me why the Office is so secretive with information ? I would think that Engineering reports and Infra Structure details would be posted on the big message board in front of the post office until a project is completed ? Lord knows there is enough room there for it .
Thanks for any information !
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Nov 27, 2013 7:07:57 GMT -5
Post by BagLady on Nov 27, 2013 7:07:57 GMT -5
First off, "Welcome to S-bag". I hope that your lifestyle here is pleasing and that you come to love it as much as most people do who live here. It is distressing, however, that you must so soon be exposed to the dark underbelly of S-bag's "corporate life"--SLohA. I will offer some thoughts on your questions.
While it is impossible to state with certainty why this management is secretive, some solid reasons can be proposed by looking at the collection of behaviors of MANBOD over time. As a new owner, you probably do not have a historical perspective of the nature either of this MANBOD or of HOA's, in general. However, you can get a flavor for this management by following this forum where most Guests are highly critical of MANBOD based on their experiences with written, acted and spoken behaviors.
Your question touches on the nature of a strange and dangerous animal called an HOA. This HOA has always been extremely secretive in conducting its business affairs. Secretiveness is fundamental to maintaining power and control over owners and by extension, revenue--owners' assessment fees. Secretiveness creates a non-transparent environment where others cannot see or reflect on decisions and actions-or even raise a cogent objection because factual information is withheld. When people inevitably do recognize that their representatives are operating as a secret body, the response is to publicly castigate and vilify owners--and in some cases--threaten and intimidate owners-- in an attempt to silence the dissenting voices, rather than to enter into non-secret discussion of issues.
Not all HOA's are like this, but unfortunately, the "business model" of HOA's nationwide supports the aggregation and protection of power and control through secretiveness and exclusivity. Some HOA's cultivate an environment wherein the secret exchange of fees can take place, which is the lifeblood of sustaining a profitable HOA business model for the benefit of service providers. This fee exchange (for want of a better word) is "managed" by a property management company which is supposed to be directed, controlled and oversighted by elected representatives--the BOD.
The more money an HOA has to spend, the more secretive it must be if fees are to be exchanged--without notice or objection by owners-- for services others provide to the association through its management structure. If one follows the money, the bigger picture comes into better focus.
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Nov 30, 2013 22:58:53 GMT -5
Post by I. P. Daily & Seymore Butts on Nov 30, 2013 22:58:53 GMT -5
Will someone on this forum please make a records request. It is important that we are aware of the Sewer fault sites. The sewer faults, maybe last years fixes, and now they may have failed. I do not believed any statements from our Privilege Leaders. Lets get a copy of the Sewer Lines Report. Make a Request. I am request max out at the present.
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