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Post by Admin on Dec 11, 2013 10:56:07 GMT -5
Submitted to help owners put the proposed budget in historical perspective. Use member saddleviewer and password 123abc to enlarge and/or download. Pink shades are lines of large increase. This is a 5 page document; the last two pages are on the following post.
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Post by Admin on Dec 11, 2013 10:57:27 GMT -5
The final 2 pages of the Comparison Budget data:
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Dec 26, 2013 15:40:57 GMT -5
Speaking about this budget, where in the income section of this budget is this board hiding the money SLohA received from the sale of #102 Silversides AND #30 S-bag Trail South?
I'm wondering if it could have anything to do w/the $37K called "Transfer from Prev Yr"
Anyone know?
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Post by Dick Tracy on Dec 26, 2013 16:25:44 GMT -5
Does SLR receive discount money back from favorite venders? I was reading an article written by a HOA Management Co. President. The article was about some favorite venders in Florida give discounts for services render. Normally a 10% discount, which in turn is given back to the HOA. I do see a discount income line on our financial reports, but not much income. Well, it looks like I answered my own question. No!
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Post by BagLady on Dec 26, 2013 18:45:29 GMT -5
This practice is a part of HOA property management that owners are not told about. Good management companies disclose the practice of "discounting" which is a nice word for "gratuity" in their management agreements with the HOA. The discount is described as an earned gratuity for extra service rendered to an HOA.
The word "kickback" is not used and most good management companies will avoid this illegal activity.
If the income statement is showing no discounts, then SLohA is either not getting discounts or the discounts are not disclosed on financial statements. Given the generous and multiple no-bid contracts handed to TXXXXX, SLohA should expect volume discounting. Management company fee is currently under $100K/yr and from that, the so-called "manager" is paid and the bookkeeper is paid.
(PS. The salary range for a property manager is estimated from a low of $59K to 96K in the Brandon, FL area (which is the most comparable to Lake Wales).
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Post by Dick Tracy on Dec 26, 2013 21:57:23 GMT -5
The final 2 pages of the Comparison Budget data: It is really obvious when you compare the Budget Reserves on the last page of The Budget, over the last 3 + yrs., SLR's Management is Spending More Monies each year and Our BOD is allocating less Monies each year to SLR's Reserve Funds.
Spend More and Save Less !!! That Formula will take SLR down-hill in the Fast-Lane....
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Post by BagLady on Dec 27, 2013 6:21:55 GMT -5
It is my understanding that, as a not-for profit corporation under FS617, SLohA cannot return income to any member in any form--discounts, rebates ...or reduced assessments. SLohA cannot show a "profit" from income at the end of the tax year. Our Bylaws specifically say:
The reduction in the assessment fee 2011, funded from a Contingency Fund carried over from a 2010 surplus, was improper and started a chain of events where people were "so pleased with Management Company and how well they must be managing resources". (That was the 's intent!) Now, the original 2010 surplus that set this mess in motion is pretty much gone; the operating budget is hugely inflated by IT's mismanagement and flagrant spending and assessments are being increased to pre-reduction levels two years later and are still insufficient to fund the budget recommended by the Management Company (little birdie tweet).
Prediction: we will see regular budget overages and another assessment increase next year.
MANBOD cannot just roll excess income over into the Operating Budget; it must be held aside as "general surplus". The reasonable course would then be to determine the reason for the overcollection of assessments and adjust accordingly the next budget year. In the case of SLohA, I would hazard a guess that the $37K was remaining Slush Fund/Contingency Fund monies unspent from the original PLUS the newly-funded $25K last year that MANBOD rolled into the new budget. If membership had been polled, there probably would have been significant member support for paying back the loan made to the Operating Fund a few years ago and which is STILL unpaid and reducing the SBA loan balance with this money. But, it is going back into the pot to support what will be an under-funded budget in 2014-15--according to recommendation.
Fact is all this is speculation; despite several requests over the years, we still do not get full disclosure of our financial records from MANBOD. There is no detail given in writing and no discussion of overages by the Treasurer. There is smoke and mirrors in proposed budgets and the attitude on MANBOD's part is "keep 'em in the dark" and on members' part is "Why fight 'em anymore?". MANBOD does not want owners to understand their budget. All we can do is make a reasonable guess.
BTW--This is yet another reason that the internet fee is illegal--it plans to use income (from assessments) and distribute it back to a member (owner of KCN). This is clearly contrary to the law as stated in FS617. The only entities that are exempt from this are distributions to other not-for-profits or governmental agencies with tax-exempt status--and K C N is neither. This is all tortuously described in FS617 and will probably give you a headache if you decide to read it. Merlot helped.
In the bigger picture, it is but a technicality during this pending phase, but at some point, it will become yet another legal fee for SLohA when the the tax person from the Dept of State wants to see the records from the past 5 years and possibly penalize, back tax or even alter SLohA tax status.
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Post by BagLady on Dec 27, 2013 8:00:52 GMT -5
The income from these two sales totallled $25,200 according to the Property Appraiser records ($5200 from 102 SS and $25K from 30 SBTS). It's anyone's guess where this is shown as Income to SLohA.
SLohA executed on liens for $7861.81 to file on 30 SBTS and $11,628.59 on 102 SS for a total of $19,490.40. Much of these amounts went to the attorneys fees.
Even though this appears to be a "net" in the plus column of $5709.60, it does not take into account the uncollected assessments which lapsed and were not recaptured at the sales. Remember the judgements were filed in Dec 2007 and Feb 2011 so SLohA did not get assessments returned on these foreclosures during the time between the judgements and sales. Counting the amount that went to attorney fees which SLohA pays and which are reimbursed FIRST from the proceeds of any subsequent sale, it is obvious that there was a net-net loss to SLohA on these foreclosures.
There is no doubt that foreclosures are almost always a loser to the Association. This situation has been the subject of a load of new legislation in Tallahassee over the past several years and the law seems to constantly change. Do not assume anything about your obligation to pay past assessments if you ever want to take title to an SLohA property in foreclosure!
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Post by Snidley Whiplash on Dec 27, 2013 8:12:42 GMT -5
The reduction in the assessment fee 2011, funded from a Contingency Fund carried over from a 2010 surplus, was improper and started a chain of events where people were "so pleased with Management Company and how well they must be managing resources". (That was the 's intent!) Now, the original 2010 surplus that set this mess in motion is pretty much gone; the operating budget is hugely inflated by IT's mismanagement and flagrant spending and assessments are being increased to pre-reduction levels two years later and are still insufficient to fund the budget recommended by the Management Company (little birdie tweet). In the bigger picture, it is but a technicality during this pending phase, but at some point, it will become yet another legal fee for SLohA when the the tax person from the Dept of State wants to see the records from the past 5 years and possibly penalize, back tax or even alter SLohA tax status. Some of us who are aware of our surroundings and know the tactics of this BOD knew exactly why there was a reduction in fees . The only reasons for the reduction in Fees was to BUY VOTES and to BUY the BUDGET . The 5 other people running for BOD seats in 2011 were a major problem for the current BOD (2011) we had that were appointed and wanted to get things done no matter what the cost and with favored contractors by circumventing established bidding processes used in the real world . Its amazing none of "the other 5" got the votes to win a seat . NOT ONE ! And that it was announced that SLR had the "Highest Voter Turnout in the history of SLR." And, that when the votes were tallied by residents the numbers didn't add up . BOD Prez. KL stated when the current BOD (2011) and with a renewed contract for management co. that "The Stars are all in alignment" was stating that basically they would have no opposition to the way THEY wanted to do things and that THEY had complete and total control of SLR and that THEY could in essence hide all their dirty little secrets . When you have skeletons in the closet sooner or later someone will open that door . That time is at hand . Snidley Whiplsh 2013
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Dec 27, 2013 9:57:27 GMT -5
When you have a closet that full of skeletons the door simply cannot stay shut for very much longer...
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