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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2013 5:20:51 GMT -5
I have been asked via AdminPleasePost to post the attached letter from an owner who wishes to remain Anonymous at this time (though it will soon be all over via the grapevine!). The letter WAS submitted under his signature. The submitter asked me to wait until after Christmas to post. Looks like the Board got a well-earned Christmas gift! Reminder; enlarge and download using saddleviewer/123abc
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Anonymous Environmentalist
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Dec 26, 2013 12:43:14 GMT -5
The internet proposal letter spoke of KCN's getting "gut punched" when another resort got the title of "the most connected retirement resort in Florida" from a well known ABC news anchor woman.
What about the "gut punch" they are going to give people who cannot afford to pay for the internet just so everyone else's bill gets lowered? They didn't think about that for one minute--only to say at the meeting on 12/18/13 that no matter how we word it we'll get accused of "ramming it down people's throats." This was said by our board president who was trying to figure out how they would word this ballot proposal.
Another issue I have with this same letter is the fact that the letter closed with this: "And, of course, if we are going to do something we want to do it right."
Gee, how is extorting money from the elderly for something they neither need nor want right, and doing it so everyone else's internet fee is reduced on the backs of those who want NOTHING to do with it This internet proposal had better be taken off the ballot and NEVER revisited, that is, if this board truly knows what's best for them and this community, they would not be engaging in illegal initiatives like this one.
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Post by Law Abiding Citizen on Dec 26, 2013 18:37:55 GMT -5
I have been asked via AdminPleasePost to post the attached letter from an owner who wishes to remain Anonymous at this time (though it will soon be all over via the grapevine!). The letter WAS submitted under his signature. The submitter asked me to wait until after Christmas to post. Looks like the Board got a well-earned Christmas gift! Reminder; enlarge and download using saddleviewer/123abcHow refreshing to see that our Community has a few people that have a usable brain in their heads . I do hope to see the board of directors reply .
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Post by BagLady on Dec 26, 2013 18:51:36 GMT -5
BOD, by arrogantly and greedily proposing this illegal internet assessment, has gone over a line. BOD's involvement in K C N can no longer be overlooked.
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Post by Dick Tracy on Dec 26, 2013 22:28:56 GMT -5
Going back to the Birth of Kay c-Net, we had meetings and discussion of Resort Wide Internet for all SLR's Residents. I made the very same point at a Meeting, about money collected being used for a non-SLR maintenance or operating expense. The BOD at the time gave me some lame answer, as they usually do. Plus your 3 minutes are up, please sit down... The Kay c-Net did not win approval, so it was never cH allenged.
This time it will be CH allenged by many resident/owners in SLR....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 15:58:07 GMT -5
I hope the owner of the letter will let us know the response.
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Post by Superman on Dec 28, 2013 6:08:59 GMT -5
I hope the owner of the letter will let us know the response. It is my understanding that a few dozen more such letters will be submitted . I wonder if each letter will have the same answer ?
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Post by BagLady on Dec 28, 2013 6:20:56 GMT -5
Seriously?
I sent my attorney a copy of this letter to review and comment. I wondered that, since it contains the elements of a Demand Letter, must the Association answer or could owners be finger-flipped and told to "stop beating a dead horse and LEAVE!".
Seems like the details of how to communicate are more complicated that the actual law sometimes.
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Post by Violated by Management on Dec 28, 2013 7:29:39 GMT -5
Seriously? I sent my attorney a copy of this letter to review and comment. I wondered that, since it contains the elements of a Demand Letter, must the Association answer or could owners be finger-flipped and told to "stop beating a dead horse and LEAVE!". Seems like the details of how to communicate are more complicated that the actual law sometimes. More factual will be the Manager instructing her Staff to do damage to certain individuals property and to further harass and stalk the wife of one household as they have been instructed to do in the past .... Security Force B E when asked why he ran a residents wife off the road while on duty and in the Security van he stated " That is what I was instructed to do " . The woman was driving her car when B E abruptly drove into her lane and forced evasive action on her part which resulted in the woman having to drive across lawns to avoid a collision with the Security van that was in her lane. Another employee later came at the husband of this woman with hostile intent and when asked why an employee would think he has any right to correct a resident JC exclaimed " I'm doing this on behalf of my BOSS " . Also this same couple's RV was vandalized in the storage lot and I would bet the farm that someone was also instructed to do that criminal act by their BOSS, the BOSS being the Manager. Take note SLR residents, we have people that will commit criminal acts on behalf of their boss , this is SOCIOPATHIC on their part and they DO NOT have the right to do these things and think for one minute that nothing will be communicated to the Sheriffs Dept. and to the Community of SLR .
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Post by Admin on Dec 31, 2013 7:03:31 GMT -5
Reasonable people would recognize that there is too much publicly-documented "smoke" to continue physical intimidation activities and then expect to raise a credible defense when the finger is pointed in their direction. Question is about the reality orientation of a few who have taken control; they have exercised no restraint in the past and are unlikely to make prudent judgements in the future. Will they ignore the risk to satisfy their pathetic egos?
The Sheriff is well aware of the problems in here over the last couple years and who the "players" are. This is a benefit to publicly stating, on the record--immediately--whenever a criminal act (no matter how inconsequential) is committed.
We teach children to "Tell someone" when they are inappropriately approached. We adults would be well-advised to practice what we preach and register a formal complaint with the Sheriff immediately whenever we experience an inappropriate or criminal intrusion into our space.
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Post by FJ on Dec 31, 2013 7:24:26 GMT -5
Does anyone remember when we voted down the internet fee last time and the owner of Kay c said so sarcastically "I want to thank those that voted down my proposal, you have allowed me to MAKE MORE MONEY OUTSIDE OF SLR " or something very close to that ?
Its strange how things go from a nasty attitude/sore loser to what we have again with an even higher internet fee proposal.
I would think KCN should advertise to the outside world, get their business , jack up their price and then provide FREE INTERNET to SLR .
Now that's a proposal I would support . But as it stands now , if KCN goes down due to a storm all of SLR would pay to get the system up and running and the outside subscribers would not be assessed a damn dime .
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Dissection before Infection
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Post by Dissection before Infection on Feb 14, 2014 7:47:03 GMT -5
I truly feel Members are being kept in the dark about adopting this Internet Service . I don't think that the Community has been given full disclosure about the Business Model , meaning that Mr. S has not provided an "open book" for SLohA to have assurance that the Business is on the up & up . There is much confusion and most people have no clue what we are getting into .
I feel that the BULK SERVICE CONTRACT has been misread and miscommunicated to Members of SLohA by the Board of Directors and Kiosk C. aka B & V StaXXib.
I understand Bulk Service Contract and that its cost sH all be passed on to each Parcel , not a problem . BUT..... It is understood that Members already pay to keep the Office connected through Fees , Bulk Service would and should only apply to the Office and the Board Members to conduct daily business and DOES NOT include every parcel to HAVE the internet as a result of the Bulk Service Contract . It is known or rumored that SLohA funds pay for the Towers, Concrete for tower bases and provide labor from SLohA employees and that the Internet owner also has employees as well . Plus the Members of SLohA have let the Towers be erected on Community property that is NOT zoned for Commercial Business . So it is understood that members are already paying for the internet through the co-mingling of Resort moneys and employees with the Private Business/Owner and without any written agreement that can be requested and researched to be legal to avoid any legal cH allenge in Court as a breech of Covenants .
IF the Business owner is receiving funds from outside Providers such as Verizon, Sprint , and others then Owners in SLohA must also have that information available to them. The Business Owner would also show in his Documents the Assets and Worth of the Business as in the income that comes VIA the Members of SLohA allowing this Commercial activity on their Property so to speak .
I feel that contact could and should be made with other Providers (ie Verizon ,AA&T, Sprint ect.) and a new deal presented to those companies to use the Towers that the MEMBERSHIP provides on SLohA property .
Here is what I have come up with,
Since SLohA is NON PROFIT , the offer to the legit Companies would be to allow their repeaters on SLohA Towers and in return provide Bulk Service to the Office and Board of Directors homes , plus to the Annex or community computer rooms with no money changing hands , This would be a great deal for the Legit Companies and SLohA benefits as well .
DishTV offers AirCards @ $79.99 per month with more than enough Gigs than could be used , take $80. X 12 air cards and that $960.00 per month and $11.520 per year . That is a much better deal than paying a shady in park business owner over $11.000.00 per MONTH OR $141.660.00 per year<and that's just todays price, we have no assurance that the price wont double , And we are provided all the legal guarantee's and boiler plate mumbo jumbo that protects each and every member of SLohA (which by the way the in park service says is a waist of time and money) .
If owners want Internet it is up to them to secure it for themselves and not have it "shoved down their throats" as President KL has openly stated they must do .
SLohA needs to dissect this Internet deal BEFORE it becomes an INFECTION that will kill Members wallets and pocketbooks by rising costs, no contract , no guarantee and no business model provided by the owner .
Never do anything in haste , especially when it involves YOUR MONEY BEING SPENT BY OTHERS .
There needs to be more work done on a Bulk Service Contract for SLohA/SLR . This is what the Lawyers are for and the LAWYERS should be the ones making sure the Membership of SLohA are protected .
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Post by BagLady on Feb 14, 2014 8:02:09 GMT -5
Agree almost 100% with the above--SLohA needs a lawyer representing the owners because BOD is intentionally and knowingly breaching the Covenant prohibiting commercial activity. But owners will have to get inside their pocketbooks now--or later.
What I don't agree with is that it is premature to discuss a bulk service contract. Our covenants DO NOT JUST apply to the current owners--they apply to the PUBLIC, POLK COUNTY, BANKS & FINANCING companies, INSURANCE agents and all others who have an interest in the property! The first and most important problem that needs to be addressed is the unlawful presence of K C N on SLohA common property. If we continue to permit this trespass and willful violation of our laws, it will come back to bite us in a surprising, unpleasant and expensive way!
This is not just about what the majority or minority of owners want! Owners can either respect and protect our governing laws or Owners will suffer consequences down the road.
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Post by Guest on Feb 14, 2014 9:22:56 GMT -5
Agree almost 100% with the above--SLohA needs a lawyer representing the owners because BOD is intentionally and knowingly breaching the Covenant prohibiting commercial activity. But owners will have to get inside their pocketbooks now--or later. What I don't agree with is that it is premature to discuss a bulk service contract. Our covenants DO NOT JUST apply to the current owners--they apply to the PUBLIC, POLK COUNTY, BANKS & FINANCING companies, INSURANCE agents and all others who have an interest in the property! The first and most important problem that needs to be addressed is the unlawful presence of K C N on SLohA common property. If we continue to permit this trespass and willful violation of our laws, it will come back to bite us in a surprising, unpleasant and expensive way! This is not just about what the majority or minority of owners want! Owners can either respect and protect our governing laws or Owners will suffer consequences down the road. Thank you Bag Lady , you really present things in an up front manner , I appreciate what you have done and are doing to inform us Members as to "what's really Hood" ! (Hood being Neighborhood)
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