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Post by Admin on Oct 14, 2013 22:55:59 GMT -5
Cross-Post from AnonNews
August 5, 2013
O-Me... Management stated today we have a foot sand in the bottom of the clubhouse lift station. We are going to call Txxxxx Sewer Pipe Inspection Inc. They will run cameras down our sewer lines on Beaverkill and Royal Coachman, looking for a fault. Yes, those are some of the sewer lines that Txxxxx Plumbing Works Inc. replaced all those lateral connections. O, yes, I almost forgot, Txxxxxx Concrete Construction is going to build a retention wall around the same lift station, just to make sure silt does not get into the lift station. News is from the Managers Report Today. _________________________________________
August 6, 2013
As far as "looking for a fault" is concerned, look no further, fella, you found it in Txxxxx Know-It-All Contracting & Construction...
so, once again, why are we going w/this inept contractor who also did a piss-poor job on the paving as well as the water lines? ____________________________________________________
Definition of Insanity: Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome
Goes for re-electing same BOD for owner representation Goes for re-electing same BOD that continues to retain Goes for repeatedly giving contracts to Txxxxx at recommendation of and benefit to
Nothing changes while SLR is in the INSANE operational mode and outcomes should be expected to be poor, as history has shown.
The real problem has been identified at GREAT EXPENSE 6 years ago by a competent and visionary leader (DxBxxx)--our sewer facility is not up to the task of handling our stuff. We are now sticking our Txxxxx Fingers in the doodoo dike for a bubblegum fix. This is a difficult and hugely expensive problem and well out of reach of this leadership to tackle. By the time the plant fails, I predict our Reserves will have been totally executed and owners will have a whopper of a special assessment IF there is any effective HOA in existence at that time. And, if BOD does not revitalize covenants, there will only be a voluntary membership to rely on for $.
Keep Funding Insanity and protect our property values! ___________________________________________ August 12, 2013
Todays Managers Report states any sewer leaks are not Txxxxxx fault, that is just a false rumor... The water level was not high enough to get a true visual of water/sand intrusion into our sewer lines on some streets. We also have objects blocking our lift station pump at the Clubhouse lift station... So, Ok, I promise not to put my Nite-time Male Pull-Ups in the toilet any more. _____________________________________________ August 13, 2013
About the items found in the Lift Station, I seriously doubt that anyone can flush a towel down a toilet , Strapping Tape or Banding straps as they are called are generally found on boxes of Parts used in the construction of water/sewer pipe systems.
Many Contractors try to keep their work site clean but do not necessarily dispose of waste materials in the proper fashion. Since there is an open manhole or open drain it is common practice to throw the debris in the opening and bury it. Boxes of Bolts, Fittings, Pipe Collars that are shipped will have Banding Straps and can and have been seen on the work sites .
MOST jobs have a "Site Inspector" present during construction to protect the Contractor from allegations of throwing materials and trash in ''the hole''.
I would assume that MAN/BOD has photos of the debris that they found to show it is a Resident Issue and not a carefree contractor doing it the easy way and then coming back to correct a problem that they themselves have created.
If in fact some are flushing Adult Diapers from Community Bathrooms maybe some sort of sanitary waste basket should be placed in each stall ? Signs saying NO DIAPERS ALLOWED is not the solution.
Personally I think all of the statements made by MAN/BOD are vague at best, they might know what they are thinking but the rest of us are not mind readers and a more detailed explanation would held to stop rumor and speculation which doesn't help anyone and at the same time give MAN/BOD some Credibility .
Be more Professional in the Reports and be specific and detailed otherwise it looks like a cover up to protect the Contractors. Residents are not always to blame and should not be used as a personal scapegoat for management . __________________________________ that's the most SENSIBLE explanation I've heard regarding this issue is the one above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this person is smarter than the fool who keeps blaming residents for this type of caca! ____________________________________________________________
Haha another benefit of an anonymous forum--I prefer not to know who uses male PullUps! ____________________________________________
So for the sake of argument lets say it is determined that the Sewer Leaks ARE in fact Tuckers doing what then sH all the Manager say since she has already made the statement of Tkr being unrelated to the problem ?
It is never good to make statements without first knowing what the inspection will show . If excavation is needed where repairs where effected before paving it will be evident.
It is far better to keeps ones mouth closed and not appear an idiot that to open it and remove all doubt. ____________________________________________________ August 22, 2013
Manager; We are still putting cameras down the sewer pipes looking for leaks. Well, I was sitting on the toilet today, and boy did I get a surprise thrill, a spy camera touched my butt. Now that is going to the extreme, looking for sewer leaks. Now the boys are on a ~~HD Digital CD~~. An Eye on You: by See More Butts. Only in SLR. ________________________________________________________
By Senior Butts
Seymour Butts: I spit my coffee I was laughing so hard. __________________________________________________________
Previously, the manger stated that some of the inorganic material found in the lines was strapping tape being flushed down the toilets by residents, when in all actuality it is pipe liner coming loose from inside the pipe.
Way to shoot your mouth off before you know the facts.
Give the manager another raise. _____________________________________________________
I would think it would be our Maintenance Foreman telling management what they are finding in the club house lift pump station. The Manager would just be passing on Info she received from Jhn. I do not think she would be down in the vault. I have never seen so many man hours spent on fixing a lift station problem in the past 2 years. I would suggest they may have a major problem in The Maintenance Dept. and Management. Just my 2 cents. ____________________________________________________________ August 26, 2013
Well, Txxxx has finished with the camera project, we will have the results in a couple of days. Then BOD & management will move forward with a solution. Manager stated the crew has removed concrete from the Clubhouse lift station. Now when we reinstall the pumps, they will be positioned lower and will run cooler. That raises some questions for See-More.
Full report on Chug's Koffee-Klatch today. __________________________________________________-
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Post by Broken Pipe Dreams on Dec 2, 2013 7:11:28 GMT -5
Oct 14, 2013 at 11:55pm ReplyReplyQuote Post Options Post by Admin on Oct 14, 2013 at 11:55pm Cross-Post from AnonNews
August 5, 2013
O-Me... Management stated today we have a foot sand in the bottom of the clubhouse lift station. We are going to call Txxxxx Sewer Pipe Inspection Inc. They will run cameras down our sewer lines on Beaverkill and Royal Coachman, looking for a fault. Yes, those are some of the sewer lines that Txxxxx Plumbing Works Inc. replaced all those lateral connections. O, yes, I almost forgot, Txxxxxx Concrete Construction is going to build a retention wall around the same lift station, just to make sure silt does not get into the lift station. News is from the Managers Report Today. _________________________________________
August 6, 2013
As far as "looking for a fault" is concerned, look no further, fella, you found it in Txxxxx Know-It-All Contracting & Construction...
so, once again, why are we going w/this inept contractor who also did a piss-poor job on the paving as well as the water lines? ____________________________________________________
Definition of Insanity: Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome
Goes for re-electing same BOD for owner representation Goes for re-electing same BOD that continues to retain Goes for repeatedly giving contracts to Txxxxx at recommendation of and benefit to
Nothing changes while SLR is in the INSANE operational mode and outcomes should be expected to be poor, as history has shown.
The real problem has been identified at GREAT EXPENSE 6 years ago by a competent and visionary leader (DxBxxx)--our sewer facility is not up to the task of handling our stuff. We are now sticking our Txxxxx Fingers in the doodoo dike for a bubblegum fix. This is a difficult and hugely expensive problem and well out of reach of this leadership to tackle. By the time the plant fails, I predict our Reserves will have been totally executed and owners will have a whopper of a special assessment IF there is any effective HOA in existence at that time. And, if BOD does not revitalize covenants, there will only be a voluntary membership to rely on for $.
Keep Funding Insanity and protect our property values! ___________________________________________ August 12, 2013
Todays Managers Report states any sewer leaks are not Txxxxxx fault, that is just a false rumor... The water level was not high enough to get a true visual of water/sand intrusion into our sewer lines on some streets. We also have objects blocking our lift station pump at the Clubhouse lift station... So, Ok, I promise not to put my Nite-time Male Pull-Ups in the toilet any more. _____________________________________________ August 13, 2013
About the items found in the Lift Station, I seriously doubt that anyone can flush a towel down a toilet , Strapping Tape or Banding straps as they are called are generally found on boxes of Parts used in the construction of water/sewer pipe systems.
Many Contractors try to keep their work site clean but do not necessarily dispose of waste materials in the proper fashion. Since there is an open manhole or open drain it is common practice to throw the debris in the opening and bury it. Boxes of Bolts, Fittings, Pipe Collars that are shipped will have Banding Straps and can and have been seen on the work sites .
MOST jobs have a "Site Inspector" present during construction to protect the Contractor from allegations of throwing materials and trash in ''the hole''.
I would assume that MAN/BOD has photos of the debris that they found to show it is a Resident Issue and not a carefree contractor doing it the easy way and then coming back to correct a problem that they themselves have created.
If in fact some are flushing Adult Diapers from Community Bathrooms maybe some sort of sanitary waste basket should be placed in each stall ? Signs saying NO DIAPERS ALLOWED is not the solution.
Personally I think all of the statements made by MAN/BOD are vague at best, they might know what they are thinking but the rest of us are not mind readers and a more detailed explanation would held to stop rumor and speculation which doesn't help anyone and at the same time give MAN/BOD some Credibility .
Be more Professional in the Reports and be specific and detailed otherwise it looks like a cover up to protect the Contractors. Residents are not always to blame and should not be used as a personal scapegoat for management . __________________________________ that's the most SENSIBLE explanation I've heard regarding this issue is the one above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this person is smarter than the fool who keeps blaming residents for this type of caca! ____________________________________________________________
Haha another benefit of an anonymous forum--I prefer not to know who uses male PullUps! ____________________________________________
So for the sake of argument lets say it is determined that the Sewer Leaks ARE in fact Tuckers doing what then sH all the Manager say since she has already made the statement of Txxxxx being unrelated to the problem ?
It is never good to make statements without first knowing what the inspection will show . If excavation is needed where repairs where effected before paving it will be evident.
It is far better to keeps ones mouth closed and not appear an idiot that to open it and remove all doubt.
We need a full professional engineering report before we spend one dime of owners' money on this continuing fiasco. The location of the sewer leaks will be revealing.
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Post by Dick Tracy on Dec 20, 2013 3:57:00 GMT -5
Here We Go Again !!! Well this past Summer in SLR, we had records amount of Rain Fall. The Rain raised the underground water table to a very high level. As the Water Level Recedes, the ground water also settles all of the sand and dirt that was improperly placed in all of the Sewer/Water Lateral Dig Sites. You can not add 3 or 4 ft. of Dirt in A Ditch and then start to Compact the Soil. That is exactly what SLR's Favorite Vendor chose to do. Several SLR's Residents tried to tell our SLR's BODs, that was not the correct way to Compact and Back-Fill a Ditch...
So SLR's Favorite Vendor, proceeds to Asphalt SLR's Roads, over hundreds of Poorly Compacted Dig Sites. A very non-professional, terrible Paving Job, placing 1 1/2 inches of Asphalt Directly Over Dirt, that is not Compacted Correctly. So now we are starting to see SLR's Famous Hump-D-Hump Road Surface. You can see it and feel it while driving a Golf Cart. If you drive your automobile at night on SLR's Roads, your head-lamps will really help you to see the Famous Hump-D-Hump Road Surface. And guess what? It will get worse with time. The SLR's Way To Do Projects, is without a paid independent Project Manager. A Very, Very Big Mistake on any Project.
Ps. The settlement of poorly compacted Sewer Lateral Fixes, can also cause the Sewer Laterals to Fail A Second Time. We presently have some issues with Leaking Failed Sewer Lines, it will be interesting to find out exactly where the Sewer Pipes are Leaking. Could it be possible we are about to Fix last Year's Fix? Time will Tell !!!
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Post by Backwards in Time on Dec 20, 2013 6:53:15 GMT -5
Isn't it funny several of us knowledgeable residents said this would happen when we had seen improper prep work before paving was done ? The best part is, now we can once again rub MANBODS noses in it ......AGAIN !
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Post by Dick Tracy on Dec 20, 2013 13:15:34 GMT -5
When you have a BODs & Management Co., that Do-Not want any Outside Person to Oversee any of SLR's Big Projects, to keep the Contractors Honest, and to make sure the Job is done correctly, it makes one wonder what is really going on. It has been my experience in my past work environment, it is not good.
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Post by Dick Tracy on Dec 20, 2013 19:37:59 GMT -5
HO-HO-HO.... It Looks Like Santa Has Been Drinking The Famous SLR's Kool-Aid..
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Post by Prissy Missy on Jan 29, 2014 14:27:58 GMT -5
Holy Crap! Somebody is moving all that hazardous mountain of dirt piled up next to the Dog Run on top of the Dog Run! That pile of dirt was material from a sink hole which caused a sewer line break. So now the dogs get to run in dirt which was saturated with sewer crap. What are these people thinking? Maybe they think the rain will rinse the sewer dirt and wash it down in the aquafer where we get our drinking water from and if they chlorinate it enough, it will be OK for snowbirds to drink!
Time to put the for sale sign out.
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Jan 29, 2014 17:21:09 GMT -5
Holy Crap! Somebody is moving all that hazardous mountain of dirt piled up next to the Dog Run on top of the Dog Run! That pile of dirt was material from a sink hole which caused a sewer line break. So now the dogs get to run in dirt which was saturated with sewer crap. What are these people thinking? Maybe they think the rain will rinse the sewer dirt and wash it down in the aquafer where we get our drinking water from and if they chlorinate it enough, it will be OK for snowbirds to drink! Time to put the for sale sign out. Long ago, when that dirt started showing up down there, I said that the EPA needs to come in here and take samples of that dirt--and I'm sure they won't like what they would find and, if that's the case, the entire area would have to be cordoned off--essentially quarantined so that a bio-hazard extraction of ALL contaminated materials can take place. The Assoc. might also be fined, or the contractor--(the same people that did our crappy paving job) that put it there, or both. Also, there was no permit for them to dump that contaminated dirt down there or spread it around the dog run area!
Why is this board so stupid as to allow a contractor to dump biohazard-contaminated dirt from digging around broken sewer pipes in our dog run area? This board and their questionable contractors who have created what appears to be EPA violations in SLR, then pretend they don't exist, could very well cause water table contamination not to mention the biohazards of fecal-particulate bacteria contaminated soil coming into contact with owners and their pets--after all, this is where owners are forced to take their pets for exercise.
One can clearly see that the board and management are truly turning the dog run area of this park into the shit-end of the stick.
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Post by D on Feb 2, 2014 9:10:07 GMT -5
Repost excerpt of post by Most Owners from Elections/Article in Ledger News Chief Feb 1, 2014:
I can shed some light on the sewer issue. First of all let me say, I think Most Owners comments were, spot on, with his/her assessment.
Sewer lateral repairs; I can only tell you what I know to date to be correct. The camera work that was performed to get a clear picture of what problems we still have with water leaking into the main sewer was done when the water table was at it's highest point last fall. I sat in on the meeting with the first presentation after that was complete and we watched some of the video documentation. I don't remember the exact number of DVD's that contained all of the video but my guess would be somewhere around 8. Each DVD contains data (pictures) of certain sections or homes that are relative to where they are located. The presentation is put together in a three ring binder with still photos of each spot where problems exist and are cross numbered/matched with areas of the video on each of the DVD's. After seeing the videos there was not any doubt that the repairs were going to have to be made. The first thing we (BOD) needed was a bid to see what it was going to cost. It took the company doing the first bid several weeks to determine a cost. They have to, figure how many laterals have to be repaired, how long each one is and what the configuration is. Some go straight from the home to the main sewer, some are connected with the home next door while others maybe connected with multiple homes. Their are so many variables it would be hard to explain them all here and even if I did, I would probable miss something. I hope you get the picture on that.
When the BOD received the first bid we were totally floored. What we thought would come in at around 60k was for 188k+. The book the first company put together was offered to SLohA for a cost of $1,500.00 (or somewhere in that range if I remember correctly). The board felt that was a good investment because without it, when we asked for other bids, each individual contractor would have to do the camera work all over again. That would be a two fold problem, first, it would be very cost redundant, second, the water table has dropped and it would not pick up leaks that are now out of the water table index. So with SLohA owning the book we could send it to other contractors to give us an estimate. I am not totally up to date on the latest findings (this is not my project) but it is my understanding there are two more bids being pursued at this time. I really can't imagine anyone would want to watch all of the videos with water leaking into the laterals and the cameras chasing cockroaches and dealing with root balls but if that is your cup of tea, have at it. There is probably more information on this then I am aware of but it is very time consuming and this is not a hobby for the BOD. To correspond with individual owners wanting information takes time from my golf game and like the other owners here, I'm retired too. If someone has a specific question (not just want to argue) I would be happy to try to give you the most honest answer I know.
D
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Post by BagLady on Feb 2, 2014 9:52:01 GMT -5
@d: You had me until you endorsed Most Owners comments. But, putting that aside for the moment; after all, you are entitled to voice your opinion, I found your input interesting and valuable.
What troubles me is that your detail tends to be the focus of what you perceive is the concern people have with this sewer project. While interesting, no one cares about the particulate and insects identified during the video inspection test and that it is hundreds of gross photos. This would be likened to a video-proctoscopy-no one wants to see the color changes of the sigmoid lumen lining and what pieces of unidentified material are clinging to it post-cleansing, nor are they much concerned about the presence and characteristics of polyps and other foreign bodies encountered along the way.
What owners want to see is that SLohA has taken an industry-standard engineering approach to identifying the nature and scope of the sewer problem. Recall, Farabee wrote in his report 2 years ago that our sewer lines were just fine and made no intermediate or long term recommendations. So, it comes as a shock that SLohA is considering an enormous outlay of funds to fix something that was OK 2 years ago.
The video camera work is a test and, as I understand it, follows a "screening" smoke test as a more intense diagnostic test--and it can detect and verify technical failure(s) leading to functional impairments. These various tests do not speak to a global engineering approach, much like a diagnostic physician undertakes when considering patient subjective complaints and history, past medical and surgical interventions, current imaging and mechanical testing and functional lifestyle limitations. Can the heart patient, for example, resume activities with a stent or is bypass surgery indicated--or does the patient need a new heart? A global engineering approach, embodied in an "engineering report" as in the "treatment plan" of a heart patient, goes far beyond reliance on a couple tests.
An engineering recommendation following thoroughly vetted conditions by an independent engineering consultant whose specialty is assessment--that is what owners demand. So, that when it comes time to pay out a quarter million dollars for a job to a favored vendor of , we are not also relying on a limited, albeit accurate single test, offered up by the same company who will profit from the repairs. And, until we get an independent engineering report, it is unknown what part the activities of the same company had on the creation of the current sewer problem and what remedial or financial relief might be available to SLohA.
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Post by Honest Abe on Feb 2, 2014 11:31:28 GMT -5
Repost excerpt of post by Most Owners from Elections/Article in Ledger News Chief Feb 1, 2014: If someone has a specific question (not just want to argue) I would be happy to try to give you the most honest answer I know. D Lets take a look at what "D" says here ,"Try to give you the most honest answer I know" Are you kidding me ?
We know this person to be a habitual liar to the community, and you have to TRY to be HONEST ?
Anyone that speaks or writes in this manner is giving themselves a way out and plans on not being honest .
Note to "D" , Some of us are HONEST all the time, we don't have to TRY .
Straiten up and fly right, your credibility is non existant .
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Post by Anon. on Feb 2, 2014 12:08:35 GMT -5
This message is for "D" who says he's on the board and wants to "try and be honest"--now that's a true statement, since he's obviously had hard time telling the truth in the past, oh, but now, wants to "TRY and be honest," and answer any questions.
Lets start out with getting the Engineering Report back from the bidders so that residents who requested it can see it, that was approx. 2 months ago; what's the hold-up here?
Then, you can answer this question: why did an engineer say 2 yrs. ago that our sewer laterals were o.k., then within the span of 2 years, all these problems occurred that will cost SLohA big bucks? Why and how did this happen?
And another thing--what's this "don't want to argue" statement you have to attach to just about everything you say?
Let me say this to you loud and clear:
MR. D: WE DON'T WANT ANY ARGUMENT, NEVER DID, THAT'S WHAT YOU PERCEIVE TO BE OUR MOTIVE WHEN WE ONLY WANT TRUTHFUL, FACTUAL INFORMATION, HOWEVER, IN MOST CASES, THAT HAS NOT BEEN FORTHCOMING FROM THE BOARD OR THE MANAGER!
We don't have to argue one single thing, especially when we have the facts and truth on our side; it's only those who come unarmed without anything intelligent to say, and only want to give their opinions are the ones that tend to want to "argue."
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Post by Admin on Feb 2, 2014 13:33:48 GMT -5
@d: you can try to be honest but that is not enough. "Try" is a qualifier and allows the user to backtrack and protest "But I TRIED". You often hear this from adolescents attempting to deflect their intentions to parents i.e. they will "try" to change behavior. Honesty does not require an APPROACH to achieve--it is not a DEGREE of a quality--it is not less than 100%. It is ALL--everytime and all the time.
Now, about your honesty. There has been such a lack of it in the past that many believe that it cannot be achieved and required the validation of documentation. This is not something to argue about. It is a reality based on a history and it has been observed by many over a long period of time. The only thing that anyone believes is what can be validated In Writing.
And the start point is...an independent engineering report requested 6 weeks ago and a second time last week. You could start being honest by saying if one even exists and if so, who the engineering consultant was.
Only time will tell if your efforts to "try" result in 100% truth telling and transparency in conducting the business affairs of SLohA. I never say never--people can change. But they cannot change by trying. They change by Doing.
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Post by Just so you know... on Feb 2, 2014 15:06:45 GMT -5
The guest known as "D" or "DB" has now crossed posted between 2 topics. This one "Sewer-leaks" and "Ledger News Chief Article" PLEASE make sure you reply to this "guest" under both topics, so everyone sees what is being said.
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Post by DB on Feb 2, 2014 21:24:38 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted some information about the sewer laterals. I forgot I was dealing with idiots.
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Post by Im Trying on Feb 2, 2014 21:35:45 GMT -5
A few lines reposted from DBs "Sewer Post":
"There is probably more information on this then I am aware of but it is very time consuming and this is not a hobby for the BOD. To correspond with individual owners wanting information takes time from my golf game and like the other owners here, I'm retired too. If someone has a specific question (not just want to argue) I would be happy to try to give you the most honest answer I know." (end quote)
D
DB, if corresponding with Owners who want specific answers to a question, is taking time away from your Golf Game. I truly think you should, do yourself a favor, and consider resigning from the BODs.
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Post by Im Trying on Feb 2, 2014 22:01:07 GMT -5
O-Yes.. You Are !!! Being the same "Old DB".... Go Hit Some Golf Balls....
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Post by Guest on Feb 2, 2014 22:24:00 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted some information about the sewer laterals. I forgot I was dealing with idiots. WOW! I was really optimistic that open dialog was going to happen. Guess not... when asked direct intelligent questions about getting information, You, DB resort to name calling!? It's that kind of attitude that has made SLR the way it is today. Resorting to name calling makes YOU look Sm all and pathetic. How sad for you and the future of SLR indeed!
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Post by Admin on Feb 3, 2014 0:50:54 GMT -5
@db-Don't apologize--answer the questions that were asked! You were asked two very simple questions: "Is there an engineering report" and "If yes, who is the consultant".
That would seem to qualify as "seeking some information about the sewer laterals.
Did you think you would be well-received on this forum? I was actually surprised at the restraint! If you really want to contribute information about the sewer laterals, then start by answering questions honestly rather than resorting to childish name calling.
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Post by DB on Feb 3, 2014 7:06:40 GMT -5
This from BagLady;
Recall, Farabee wrote in his report 2 years ago that our sewer lines were just fine and made no intermediate or long term recommendations. So, it comes as a shock that SLohA is considering an enormous outlay of funds to fix something that was OK 2 years ago.
To put it simply, I think that is a correct statement. However, we are not talking about the sewer lines at this time. We are talking about the laterals that travel from the home to the sewer line(s). Yes, some of the sewer laterals were repaired before and I asked that specific question; Are any of the new leaks coming from repairs that we had been done previously? The answer was, no, and that did not come from a contractor but from someone I believe to be very knowledgeable and creditable.
I'll explain one more time as simply as I can. The water table is the main factor in how much water intrusion we have into our sewer lines. When the water table is low, most water intrusion is non existent. When the table is high (close to the surface of the ground) pressure or weight of the water forces water into any weak point of the sewer laterals. The water table is closely related to the lake level. When water is flowing out the overflow the water table will be higher then when it is not overflowing. If you dug a hole in your yard last fall in the low lying areas, you may have had water in the hole at a foot deep. If you dig a hole now you might get down 3 feet or more before you have water. Example; If you go sit in your vehicle, even if it is raining, you probably won't have water intrusion. If you submerge your vehicle in the lake (underwater), chances are pretty good that you will have water seeping in. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at the camera work that was done to determine you have a problem. I'm sure Mr. Farabee would agree to that. The sewer lines are much deeper then the sewer laterals, so when the water is low, we don't have the intrusion problem we had a few years ago, (laterals come all the way to the ground surface). When we had the floods of 2004/2005, SLohA was very close to being shut down by DEP because of the water intrusion. When you have to treat more waste water at the sewer plant then you pump out of the wells, DEP frowns on that.
To answer the other specific question about an engineer report, I'm not sure if an engineering report was submitted from the contractor that did the latest camera work. I really don't think it is an engineering report that is needed at this time. Anyone can look at the videos and they will say, “yep” that sure enough looks like water coming in to me.
One other thing. I don't lie.
DB
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