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Post by Admin on Jan 13, 2014 14:11:35 GMT -5
This image is the proposed "alternate budget" showing the assessment to be either $500/Q (without internet) or $545/Q (with internet). This is a $70/Q TOTAL INCREASE in what owners now pay! That's $280 more annually! ballotinternetballotblog.docx (13.3 KB) Is anyone really surprised about the misleading ballot? The way the Internet extortion fee is worded is that appears that the difference between the budget "with" and "without" the internet fee is merely $20/Q. When, in reality it is $45/Q. If these people were honest and didn't have a scheme to try to ram down owners' throats, even to the point of deceiving them about the true cost of the internet extortion fee, it would have been stated accurately, ie The fee is $25/Q MORE without the internet and $70/Q MORE WITH the internet.Once again, Shame on this Board! S-bag LAKE OWNERS ASSOCIATION, INC. BALLOT FOR SPECIAL ANNUAL MEETING, FEBRUARY 15,2014 Election of Directors to hold office for a three (3) year term unless a successor is elected or appointed in accordance with By-Laws. (Editor Note: Just a reminder that the ballot item changing the term from 2 years to 3 years FAILED to pass! Hey don't believe me--go look at the Annual Member meeting minutes and see the official vote count and do the math. This was shoved down owners throats and recorded FALSELY in the public record. We are just pretending it is a 3 year term.)INSTRUCTIONS Vote for no more then three (3) of the following candidates or write in your choice in the space provided PLEASE VOTE FOR NO MORE THEN THREE (3) P B ( ) F ( ) A R ( ) ________________________________( ) (Editor Note: For Write-In Candidate--suggest it be filled in with "Honest Person with Integrity")Please vote for FOR ( ) or AGAINST ( ) only one of the budget proposals shown below but ALSO vote FOR ( ) or AGAINST ( ) the Ratification of the Allocation of the Capital Expenditures/Replace Funds below. Ratification of Budget for Fiscal Year beginning April 1, 2014 until March 31, 2015 with a $25.00 assessment increase per quarter. (Copy enclosed with Annual Meeting Material) FOR THIS BUDGET ( ) AGAINST THIS BUDGET (_) (Editor Note: Recommend voting for this option only!)OR Ratification of Budget for Fiscal Year beginning April 1, 2014 until March 31, 2015 with an additional $45.00 increase per quarter with a line item added to the budget to include Resort Wide Internet. FOR THIS BUDGET ( ) AGAINST THIS BUDGET ( ) This is deceiving--it intentionally appears, at first glance, that the difference in the two options is the difference between $25 and $45. What the eye will miss on a "first-pass reading" is that the word "additional" has been inserted before the $45 figure in the "with internet option". While this is technically accurate and one cannot accuse this board of lying, it is well aware of the tendency of people to only look for the numbers and make a decision based on superficial and unstudied information. This is deceptive.
I knew KL would pull something like this when he said in a meeting in a voice of mock horror "If we put $70 increase on the ballot, people will look at it and say they can't afford it" (not quote but the gist)Ratification of the Allocation of the Capital Expenditures/Replacement Funds: April 1, 2014 thru March 31, 2015. (Copy enclosed with Annual Meeting Material) FOR ( ) AGAINST ( ) OVER
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Jan 13, 2014 14:56:59 GMT -5
When did the ballots come out? Does anyone know if they are at the office for pick up? Thank you
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Post by Im Trying on Jan 14, 2014 0:48:55 GMT -5
Yes, The Ballots are at the FRONT Office.. 1/13/2014
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Post by Counting Sheep on Jan 14, 2014 21:27:39 GMT -5
I knew KL would pull something like this when he said in a meeting in a voice of mock horror "If we put $70 increase on the ballot, people will look at it and say they can't afford it" (not quote but the gist)
I don't think this is all KL, he doesn't strike me as being that smart OR that clever. I would think its the director who seems to be silent in recent weeks, DB is a snake in the grass and hasn't made a peep lately .
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Jan 15, 2014 18:11:01 GMT -5
When you're looking at the voting options for the budget with/without internet, and with/without the dues increase, there is no option to vote for the internet and against the actual dues increase. Not that I'm going to vote that way, but evidently when you vote FOR the internet, you automatically are voting FOR the dues increase that was given as a separate option above, so, yes, this is a very misleading balloted item since it SNEAKILY forces the pro internet voters into simultaneously voting for both dues increase of $100/year and the internet fee of $180/year for a GRAND TOTAL INCREASE PER YEAR TO EACH HOMEOWNER OF $280! THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE AND REALIZE THE ONLY WAY TO VOTE IS A NO VOTE ON THE FIRST BUDGET OPTION ON THE BALLOT.
THERE IS NO WAY TO VOTE DOWN THE $100 PER YEAR INCREASE AND STILL WANT THE INTERNET...THINK ABOUT THAT, EVERYONE PLEASE, THIS BALLOT REEKS OF THE BOARD'S UNDERHANDED SHENANIGANS TO GET BOTH THEIR BUDGET INCREASE OF $100/YEAR/PER OWNER BUT ANOTHER $180/YEAR/PER OWNER AS WELL.
VOTE CAREFULLY AND THOUGHTFULLY--THINK ABOUT YOUR FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU VOTE YES ON THE 2ND OPTION, BECAUSE YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR INCREASING EVERYONE'S BILL TO $280/YEAR, NO MATTER IF THEY WANT THE DUES INCREASE OR NOT OR THE INTERNET OR NOT.
KEEP YOUR WALLETS, POCKETBOOKS AND BANK ACCOUNTS SAFE: VOTE AGAINST THE $25/QUARTER OPTION BUDGET--THIS BOARD AND THIS MANAGEMENT HAVE BEEN WASTING TOO MUCH OF OUR MONEY AND DO NOT NEED ANY MORE TO RUN THIS PARK.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR NO VOTE!
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Post by BagLady on Jan 15, 2014 21:07:11 GMT -5
You make a very important point--the integrity of ratifying the budget has been corrupted. The purpose of the budget vote is to approve or disapprove the proposed budget and assessment. This board has introduced a separate SECOND decision into the question.
The people who want the internet but DO NOT approve of the budget do not have a voting option that reflects those two separate decisions. If they want the internet, they MUST ratify the budget and dues increase-thus tainting the process of budget ratification.
This Board has corrupted the budget ratification process. I do not think they know what they are doing. Certain people are so desparate to ram this internet thing through that they have lost sight of tending to true business of SLohA. It concerns me a lot why this internet fee is so critical as to ignore their own attorney's advice and risk a legal cH allenge to the budget ratification process. No matter what the outcome is-- it is invalid because the budget question is not a stand-alone question--it is polluted by a second issue. The responsible option is to vote NO on the first option and do this all over again (voluntarily) in true SLR "Git 'er done..again" fashion.
My prediction is that we will end up doing the entire vote over again (involuntarily) due to a legal cH allenge. And, while we're at it, we should vote to remove this Gang from their fiduciary position.
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Jan 15, 2014 21:32:33 GMT -5
By the board incorporating the internet ballot proposal to also pass the budget increase they are in effect using our friends across the northern border of this country--who really want this internet--to get both the increase and the internet passed--they know the internet is a shoo-in with these folks, and I bet nobody's even picked up on this subversive tactic this disgusting board has put into play here.
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Jan 15, 2014 21:54:32 GMT -5
our treasurer said they need the increase in the budget because "the budget requires it" but not once did anyone ever say why they needed this money. I doubt our treasurer did any of the preparation of the budget--it was mostly the management co. and they are they ones adding that increase on--yet why aren't we told why they need this increase? They had more than enough money to run this place, but chose to waste it instead, as long as they are wasting money, spending it hand over fist and as fast as it comes in, there will never be enough and they will always be asking for a budget increase every year. Not once did we ever see them trying to cut costs in here--there can be ways to do that, yet they extravagantly waste our funds then keep coming back to us to beg for more--THIS IS BULL SHIT AND IT'S HIGH TIME THIS COMMUNITY WOKE UP TO THIS MANAGEMENT'S AND BOARD'S FLAGRANT ABUSE OF MONEY AND POWER!
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Jan 15, 2014 22:12:09 GMT -5
...and the ridiculously disgusting part: even if you told the d-bags on the board that they've tainted the budget ratification process, they wouldn't have the slightest idea what you were talking about; they're eyes are on the prize: $11,805/month to divvy up...you can almost hear them licking their chops...
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Post by Im Trying on Jan 16, 2014 1:16:39 GMT -5
This Ballot is a Fraud.... Residents need to stand up at the next BOD Meeting, and make it clear to These Weasels, so they cannot claim they did not realize the Ballot Fraud.... A Weasel, one who is deceitful. Our BODs just keep climbing farther out on a limb. It will hang-um, in time.
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Post by BagLady on Jan 16, 2014 6:20:25 GMT -5
Owners meeting with attorney today to discuss this and other issues. To begin with, owners will have to deliver a written notice similar to the Letter of Objection to the internet extortion fee (which is, as yet, not answered).
State of Florida is of NO HELP to owners in the face of Association misdeeds. You either will take it ...and take it...and take it...and stand by meekly to take even more... or you will do the only thing available to you and the only thing these people will pay attention to--legal cH allenge.
And you will pay twice, because these people will spend YOUR MONEY to fight your legal cH allenge to their corrupt practices. (And they will insist that "you are really suing yourselves". That is the standard answer that boards use to try to discourage owners from taking legal action against them.)
Stand by...and get ready to open your wallet. Owners are footing the bill for the consult today. But, legal assistance is not cheap and other owners who stand to benefit from legal involvement in stopping this unlawful board from abusing owners cannot expect a few people to do all the financial heavy lifting. Your help is needed and will be sought.
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Post by Father Justice on Jan 16, 2014 6:52:32 GMT -5
It is true, the Ballot is corrupt and it is intentional . The Majority in SLR are totally oblivious to what is behind the scenes with this BOD & Management Co. . Everyone is distracted by a cheap and obsolete Internet system proposal by an extremely lousy business man , Americans & Canadians alike are only being used as pawns .
Very few in SLR pay any attention to what's really wrong with the Internet proposal but with the wording of nearly every line on every page of the Ballot .
Internet guy & BOD are pulling the wool over just about everyone's eyes , rants by the BOD Pres. , and total blathering from Mr. B.S. of KCN about Subpoena's and filing in Federal Court that all stems back to ONE letter to the BOD asking one simple question .
The Letter is none of KCN's concern yet his tirade on St age showed he is considering himself equal to the BOD and will say what he wants and goes unchecked by the BOD . OUT OF ORDER is what should have been told to Mr. BS . What's disgusting is the fact that an outside source such as Management Co. has taken over nearly everything in SLR and made a huge mess of things. The elders in SLR don't seem to mind but I could imagine that all these things would not have been tolerated 20 years ago by the "Greatest Generation" .
What has happened to the men and women that have been in SLR all the past years and wouldn't allow what's going on today ?
They all have become complacent, watch too much Price is Right, Maury, Springer, Judge Jew-D and the list goes on. What a shame that many are so willing to sell themselves and the place they kept simple have sold themselves for the promise of a $15 internet with no contractual language. What a shame that they have let themselves become puppets and pawns and refuse to think for themselves or even question the actions of the MANBOD .
What a shame that they allow liars to run off at the mouth and run good people into the ground without anything to back up what they say. The very people that are calling MANBOD out on all their wrong doings .
I understand time is short for some and they know it , some hate the world and everyone in it but their world is only within the confines of SLR . That doesn't make it right to cause misery on others who have come into SLR at a younger age like they did many years ago.
I'm sending a shout out to Mr. Grim Reaper . Hey buddy can you bring that sling blade and help clean out some dead wood around here ?
The bottom line is that some of us younger folks know exactly what's going on in SLR. We are smart, we know how to look at things and how to think for ourselves . We also have skills that come from the real world, Many understand Government and have worked in Government other than just being in the military and jumping out of airplanes .
We are the ones that don't give up, don't leave and wont leave . We will always question authority and seek the truth by whatever means necessary and also not commit crimes against our fellow residents at the whim of some windbag with a grudge that cant back himself up in person one on one . (You know who you are)
I don't like to run on like this but this forum is the only place in SLR where you can tell it like it is, there is never the opportunity to say what needs to be said to those that need to be told as they have too short of an attention span, have a battleship mouth and a rowboat ass , just want to get away because in a battle of wits they know they are unarmed, the list goes on forever......
Thank you to all that took the time to read my post and understand my direction .
I truly enjoy every day I spend in SLR, even with what I see going wrong. I realize its not the park but some of the people that run the show that have no clue about anything that's related . Those people are the minority now and days are short for them . I understand their desperation and feelings of loss of any control in their lives so they must destroy it for others who will remain here long after they depart this world.
I can only imagine the world they will enter next , you reap what you sow . I see a Lake of Fire for many of them. ENJOY !
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Post by SLR Lover on Jan 16, 2014 8:06:48 GMT -5
You can Love SLR and hate what it has become at the hands of greedy players willing to prey on vulnerable people who have no more fight left and just enough resources to get by.
This Management Company is a pestilence upon our land. And the Board is a wretched pawn of a Management Company which has captured their souls, creating zombies unable to do anything except say AYE to every illegal and immoral recommendation to plunder money and resources from owners only wanting to retire to a beautiful place in peace.
I am with you, Father J. I will not leave a place I love. I will fight for my rights as a property owner and do what I can to help the older folks who cannot reasonably take to the streets to defend their rights. I am glad to read your moral outrage.
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Post by Im Trying on Jan 16, 2014 13:58:59 GMT -5
I Will Not Shut-Up & Sit-Down, Plus I Will Not Move. What I Will Do Is Keep Our BOD's Nose To The Grind !!!
"Spread The Truth With Boldness & Pass It Forward".....
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Post by BagLady on Jan 16, 2014 20:53:10 GMT -5
This was discussed with attorney today who will be following up with advice on the best way to approach this item which is not a proper vote on ratification of the proposed budget. It cannot be bundled with any other question before the membership and, in its present form, the result is not enforceable if cH allenged.
In the meantime, his advice is for a member to put the Board on notice of the faulty ballot item. If the item fails under Option 1, SLohA will have to go back to the drawing board anyway, revise the proposed budget and attempt a second ratification-hopefully one that is not corrupted by a second issue. So the suggested action is: Notice of Objection Letter from Member and hold further action until results are known.
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