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Post by jwa on Feb 27, 2014 2:01:09 GMT -5
The Special BOD Meeting held on Feb.25,2014;
DB (a board member) made a statement, that more then likely we will need to have a Special Assessment in the Spring. The special assessment would be for the sewer lateral repairs needed on Beaverkill, Royal Coachman, Grey Hackle and a few repairs on the SL Trail. Some of the repairs that are needed, the fault is located at the main sewer pipe. So that would require, digging up the roadway in some areas, to get to the damaged main sewer pipe.
The first Bid from Txxxxx was for aprox. $190,000. The BOD only proposed aprox. $125,000 to the Water/Sewer Reserve Fund. Plus our Water/Sewer Reserve Fund total is only about $900,000 and the replacement cost estimate (which is dated) is 3.2 million dollars. Which I have been telling the BOD that this W/S Reserve Fund is way under Funded... A new sewer system cost today would be way more then 3.2 million dollars. But the trend in the past 3 yrs.is to spend more $$$ and to put less $$$ into our Reserve Funds. The BOD had advance notice that we had Sewer Lateral issues this past Summer/Fall. So as it stands now, we will have to take more money from our S/W Reserve Fund, to make up the difference. Or, it maybe cause for A Special Assessment for Sewer Repairs... "Great Planning Leaders".. I have been telling You for the past 5 months about this Sewer Issue, and KL response== "Stop Beating A Dead Horse" and it is "Not on The Agenda"... A Sorry Bunch !!! In my opinion the one thing that would Close Down SLR, is a Major Malfunction at SLR's Sewer Plant !!! SLR's "Sewer/Water Reserve" is way under funded, and we are going to start making Sewer Lateral Repairs this Spring, at a cost between, $200,000 & $300,000. Our SLR's Budget for 2014 is only adding aprox. $125,000 to the Sewer/Water Reserve Fund. The numbers just do not add-up... Spending $400,000 plus for a new annex building. (which the old building could have be repaired) for 1/10th of the cost. Plus the creation of a world class Pier/Boat Dock, costing owners aprox $170,000, for a half a dozen boats to be able to dock, at a cost cheaper then a storage area fee. This Spending Spree is not being Frugal with Our Monies. We can do with out a; Club-House, Post Office, Annex Bldg., Tennis Courts, Pool, Exercise Bldg, WiFi Towers, Bath-Houses and a Gazebo. These items will not cause SLR to Shut Down... Only The Water and Sewer Plant Failure, will Polk Co. close down SLR. So I believe that Reserve Fund should have 5 times the amount we now have in that Reserve. But, this Management Co., along with the present BODs, have a big spending problem, not a Budget Monies Problem......
My personal opinion is that the BODs has plenty of money, just be Frugal with "Our Money"....
Vote Against The 2014 Budget !!!
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Post by Frugal Frd on Feb 27, 2014 8:02:48 GMT -5
contracters were seen pressure washing the bath house and the post office yesterday. Why are outsiders hired to do this simple job? Where were the maintenance employees? Where are the employees? have not seen anybody arouond for 2 days. The people in charge are spending too much money on outside help
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Post by DB on Feb 27, 2014 13:33:27 GMT -5
The Special BOD Meeting held on Feb.25,2014; DB (a board member) made a statement, that more then likely we will need to have a Special Assessment in the Spring. The special assessment would be for the sewer lateral repairs needed on Beaverkill, Royal Coachman, Grey Hackle and a few repairs on the SL Trail. Some of the repairs that are needed, the fault is located at the main sewer pipe. So that would require, digging up the roadway in some areas, to get to the damaged main sewer pipe. The first Bid from Txxxxx was for aprox. $190,000. The BOD only proposed aprox. $125,000 to the Water/Sewer Reserve Fund. Plus our Water/Sewer Reserve Fund total is only about $900,000 and the replacement cost estimate (which is dated) is 3.2 million dollars. Which I have been telling the BOD that this W/S Reserve Fund is way under Funded... A new sewer system cost today would be way more then 3.2 million dollars. But the trend in the past 3 yrs.is to spend more $$$ and to put less $$$ into our Reserve Funds. The BOD had advance notice that we had Sewer Lateral issues this past Summer/Fall. So as it stands now, we will have to take more money from our S/W Reserve Fund, to make up the difference. Or, it maybe cause for A Special Assessment for Sewer Repairs... "Great Planning Leaders".. I have been telling You for the past 5 months about this Sewer Issue, and KL response== "Stop Beating A Dead Horse" and it is "Not on The Agenda"... A Sorry Bunch !!! In my opinion the one thing that would Close Down SLR, is a Major Malfunction at SLR's Sewer Plant !!! SLR's "Sewer/Water Reserve" is way under funded, and we are going to start making Sewer Lateral Repairs this Spring, at a cost between, $200,000 & $300,000. Our SLR's Budget for 2014 is only adding aprox. $125,000 to the Sewer/Water Reserve Fund. The numbers just do not add-up... Spending $400,000 plus for a new annex building. (which the old building could have be repaired) for 1/10th of the cost. Plus the creation of a world class Pier/Boat Dock, costing owners aprox $170,000, for a half a dozen boats to be able to dock, at a cost cheaper then a storage area fee. This Spending Spree is not being Frugal with Our Monies. We can do with out a; Club-House, Post Office, Annex Bldg., Tennis Courts, Pool, Exercise Bldg, WiFi Towers, Bath-Houses and a Gazebo. These items will not cause SLR to Shut Down... Only The Water and Sewer Plant Failure, will Polk Co. close down SLR. So I believe that Reserve Fund should have 5 times the amount we now have in that Reserve. But, this Management Co., along with the present BODs, have a big spending problem, not a Budget Monies Problem...... My personal opinion is that the BODs has plenty of money, just be Frugal with "Our Money".... Vote Against The 2014 Budget !!! Mr. Ath, You said, “DB (a board member) made a statement, that more then likely we will need to have a Special Assessment in the Spring.” I know you may be hard of hearing but that is not what I said. The VP made a statement that we have to pass a budget. What I said was, no, we don't have to pass a budget but if we don't pass a new budget for 2014-2015 we would revert back to the old budget of 2013-2014. If we move forward with repairing the sewer laterals at an approximate cost of $189k and the bill comes due in June or July we would have to have a special assessment to all owners to pay that bill. If you take $189k and divide it but 786 lots that would make about $240 in a special assessment. If that is what you want to do rather then pay $25 extra every quarter, then by all means, Vote Against The 2014 Budget as you suggested. You may get tarred and feathered by your neighbors if they end up paying for it in a special assessment, but at least you would have gotten your way. I don't know where you get your figures for the replacement of the Sewer Plant but you must have some knowledge that the engineers that did the study a couple of years ago didn't have. What you probably should do is stay out of areas that you really don't have any idea how they work, such as the Reserve accounts. I will try to explain this in terms simple enough for you to understand but this will not be an on going conversation. I am not here to baby sit you or others that seem to have all the wrong answers. The sewer line of the reserve schedule has about 16 different lines or categories. Let's just take what you are talking about, the replacement of the sewer plant. The engineers that did the study a couple of years ago said something along these lines. The current plant you have now is probably good for another 40 years with the proper yearly maintenance and it may never have to be completely replaced all at one time. The engineers suggested that to achieve a goal with yearly maintenance we should put $125k in reserves for the next 40 years. Using those figures we would generate $5 million dollars plus the $900k we have there now. That total is $5,900,000.00 but wait we are not done. We have to have maintenance so lets say the engineers might know a little about that and they say, we may need to spend around xxx dollars a year to keep it running good. Kind of like your car, if you don't change the oil and keep it up you might get 100k miles on it but if you do the maintenance you might get 300k miles or more. Now when it gets that many miles on it, the body may be in good shape but the engine needs to be replaced and your back in business. I hope you can see that even the engineers have to make some kind of best guess estimates and in the next few years we will need to have the same study done again with a new forecast as to what we will need in the future. DEP is interested in how much water we draw out of our wells and how much water we treat at the sewer plant. When that figure gets to be more water treated then we take from the wells, DEP wants to know why? The main thing that will destroy our sewer plant the fastest is having to treat more water then we really should be. It only makes sense to most people that we need to fix the problem of water intrusion on 40 plus years of service from the laterals that have leak problems. It is not water leaking out of the laterals it's the water leaking into the pipes. AND no we do not need to tear up the roads to fix the problem on one location of the main sewer line, that will be sleeved also. I know you think the Sorry Bunch has a big spending problem but if we don't do this, you might be right and be able to say, “see, I told you so.” Explain that to your neighbors. DB (a board member) |
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Post by BagLady on Feb 27, 2014 14:15:37 GMT -5
DB-Why the 'tude, man?
What is it about you that rubs people the wrong way? I'll volunteer an answer for myself. Yours is a purposefully disrespectful, patronizing, condescending attitude of superiority and arrogance that is so annoying that it completely obliterates any potentially positive contribution you could have made to the conversation. Despite the intrusion of your unlikability factor, I will read your post over again and take some information from it that seems reasonable and factual.
It's too bad. You are not a stupid person but completely dismissable with an abysmally low social IQ.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 14:52:00 GMT -5
Nobody should have to tar or feather anyone in here; for heaven's sake, why is it that just because owners have different opinions from the board members means that the board can get so damn nasty and downright pugilistic toward them?
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Post by BagLady on Feb 27, 2014 15:05:10 GMT -5
Hopefully, to further the special assessment/sewer discussion:
This was from the 2009 application for the permit application by Gold Coast:
Question: What were the "substantial improvements" that would be required in lieu of taking the wastewater plant out of service? And, have these identified "substantial improvements" been made? Alternately, is there any reason why this commentary would be discounted by a material change in conditions? DB alluded to this when stating:
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Post by Without ANY due respect on Feb 27, 2014 18:11:01 GMT -5
Listen up D , if you have something to say to me (Jm Grnt) you say it to my face . Don't speed away in your cart chirping thinking you accomplished anything . You don't have any authority over me at any time so unless you are willing to stand in front of me and speak to me then shut your damn mouth Mr. Magoo , you got that ? Stop being such a yellow coward for once in your life and step up or step off . If you cant remember where I live the address is 36 STN . You seem to not understand that I am not afraid of anything or anyone and especially a coward like you , Director or NOT . Come see me and you can bring your wife along if you need her there for protection. Every time you think you get away with mouthing off to me you have been running away . When you come to see me bring that paper you showed at the Meeting about something from ALASKA . You know , the one M. e. l. prompted you to display . I think this is also a cowardly display on your part and shows how gutless you really are , everyone is seeing that . I will say this all to your face in SLR when I see you or you can come to me, your choice little man . Now is when you always come with your weak bluff game , BRING IT  |
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Post by Owner Guest on Feb 27, 2014 19:05:08 GMT -5
The Special BOD Meeting held on Feb.25,2014; DB (a board member) made a statement, that more then likely we will need to have a Special Assessment in the Spring. The special assessment would be for the sewer lateral repairs needed on Beaverkill, Royal Coachman, Grey Hackle and a few repairs on the SL Trail. Some of the repairs that are needed, the fault is located at the main sewer pipe. So that would require, digging up the roadway in some areas, to get to the damaged main sewer pipe. The first Bid from Txxxxx was for aprox. $190,000. The BOD only proposed aprox. $125,000 to the Water/Sewer Reserve Fund. Plus our Water/Sewer Reserve Fund total is only about $900,000 and the replacement cost estimate (which is dated) is 3.2 million dollars. Which I have been telling the BOD that this W/S Reserve Fund is way under Funded... A new sewer system cost today would be way more then 3.2 million dollars. But the trend in the past 3 yrs.is to spend more $$$ and to put less $$$ into our Reserve Funds. The BOD had advance notice that we had Sewer Lateral issues this past Summer/Fall. So as it stands now, we will have to take more money from our S/W Reserve Fund, to make up the difference. Or, it maybe cause for A Special Assessment for Sewer Repairs... "Great Planning Leaders".. I have been telling You for the past 5 months about this Sewer Issue, and KL response== "Stop Beating A Dead Horse" and it is "Not on The Agenda"... A Sorry Bunch !!! In my opinion the one thing that would Close Down SLR, is a Major Malfunction at SLR's Sewer Plant !!! SLR's "Sewer/Water Reserve" is way under funded, and we are going to start making Sewer Lateral Repairs this Spring, at a cost between, $200,000 & $300,000. Our SLR's Budget for 2014 is only adding aprox. $125,000 to the Sewer/Water Reserve Fund. The numbers just do not add-up... Spending $400,000 plus for a new annex building. (which the old building could have be repaired) for 1/10th of the cost. Plus the creation of a world class Pier/Boat Dock, costing owners aprox $170,000, for a half a dozen boats to be able to dock, at a cost cheaper then a storage area fee. This Spending Spree is not being Frugal with Our Monies. We can do with out a; Club-House, Post Office, Annex Bldg., Tennis Courts, Pool, Exercise Bldg, WiFi Towers, Bath-Houses and a Gazebo. These items will not cause SLR to Shut Down... Only The Water and Sewer Plant Failure, will Polk Co. close down SLR. So I believe that Reserve Fund should have 5 times the amount we now have in that Reserve. But, this Management Co., along with the present BODs, have a big spending problem, not a Budget Monies Problem...... My personal opinion is that the BODs has plenty of money, just be Frugal with "Our Money".... Vote Against The 2014 Budget !!! Mr. Ath, You said, “DB (a board member) made a statement, that more then likely we will need to have a Special Assessment in the Spring.” I know you may be hard of hearing but that is not what I said. The VP made a statement that we have to pass a budget. What I said was, no, we don't have to pass a budget but if we don't pass a new budget for 2014-2015 we would revert back to the old budget of 2013-2014. If we move forward with repairing the sewer laterals at an approximate cost of $189k and the bill comes due in June or July we would have to have a special assessment to all owners to pay that bill. If you take $189k and divide it but 786 lots that would make about $240 in a special assessment. If that is what you want to do rather then pay $25 extra every quarter, then by all means, Vote Against The 2014 Budget as you suggested. You may get tarred and feathered by your neighbors if they end up paying for it in a special assessment, but at least you would have gotten your way. I don't know where you get your figures for the replacement of the Sewer Plant but you must have some knowledge that the engineers that did the study a couple of years ago didn't have. What you probably should do is stay out of areas that you really don't have any idea how they work, such as the Reserve accounts. I will try to explain this in terms simple enough for you to understand but this will not be an on going conversation. I am not here to baby sit you or others that seem to have all the wrong answers. The sewer line of the reserve schedule has about 16 different lines or categories. Let's just take what you are talking about, the replacement of the sewer plant. The engineers that did the study a couple of years ago said something along these lines. The current plant you have now is probably good for another 40 years with the proper yearly maintenance and it may never have to be completely replaced all at one time. The engineers suggested that to achieve a goal with yearly maintenance we should put $125k in reserves for the next 40 years. Using those figures we would generate $5 million dollars plus the $900k we have there now. That total is $5,900,000.00 but wait we are not done. We have to have maintenance so lets say the engineers might know a little about that and they say, we may need to spend around xxx dollars a year to keep it running good. Kind of like your car, if you don't change the oil and keep it up you might get 100k miles on it but if you do the maintenance you might get 300k miles or more. Now when it gets that many miles on it, the body may be in good shape but the engine needs to be replaced and your back in business. I hope you can see that even the engineers have to make some kind of best guess estimates and in the next few years we will need to have the same study done again with a new forecast as to what we will need in the future. DEP is interested in how much water we draw out of our wells and how much water we treat at the sewer plant. When that figure gets to be more water treated then we take from the wells, DEP wants to know why? The main thing that will destroy our sewer plant the fastest is having to treat more water then we really should be. It only makes sense to most people that we need to fix the problem of water intrusion on 40 plus years of service from the laterals that have leak problems. It is not water leaking out of the laterals it's the water leaking into the pipes. AND no we do not need to tear up the roads to fix the problem on one location of the main sewer line, that will be sleeved also. I know you think the Sorry Bunch has a big spending problem but if we don't do this, you might be right and be able to say, “see, I told you so.” Explain that to your neighbors. DB (a board member) This said by a man who used his own "homemade" plan for the new annex instead of using an engineer's plans and cost SLR extra due to it as well as delaying the project. Yeah BD, I don't think I will take your word for anything. Betcha we will end up paying for the $25 dues increase and then you all (BOD) still put out a special assessment for the "pipe water leak". DB your word is mud....oh oops that's SWIFT MUD aka SWFTMD - I hear that you don't have a good reputation with them either.
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Post by Im Trying on Feb 27, 2014 23:26:10 GMT -5
It is my opinion that in the last 3 plus years, our SLR's BODs is behind the curve most of the time. A Simple Example; We dig a foundation for the new annex bldg. My wife says to me, look at those 2 trees, those very large limbs need to be cut off, they will hit the roof. I say, dear the 2 large trees need to be cut down, or they will be in the way. I do not understand why our BOD, can not see this problem. The construction of the annex bldg. moves forward. Now the annex bldg. is under roof, at this point in time, someone notices("Look") the 2 trees and its limbs need to be cut down/hauled away. Now the cost for the trees to be remove increases.
Now that we are talking about the new annex bldg. Gee, this bldg. will have multiple activities happening at times. We need to make sure that we have good acoustic in these plans. So we need a tile floor and a sheet rock ceiling.. Now that is a bad acoustic plan.... Very good acoustic plan, let install a good commercial grade carpet on the floor. That will help with acoustics and Stanly Steamer can clean it once a year for a reasonably cost. A tile floor, if waxed will need to be stripped, and that is a lot of labor for our maintenance dept.. They are over work as it is. Now, the ceiling, lets think about this, a drop ceiling with 2'x4'panels would be better for the acoustics, yes it will help to absorb sound, just like the carpet. Plus we should add drapes at all of the windows, yes that will help also....
So what does our BODs do? After the Annex Bldg is completed, "boy-o-boy" the acoustics inside this New Annex is terrible. We need to spend more $$$$ to fix this problem... After the Completion...
SLR's Famous Saying= "We Will Get-er Done, But It Will Take Us Two Try's".
Now If Our Leaders Can Not See Two Large Trees Are In The Way Of New Construction!!! Ask Yourself, What Else Can They Not See.... $400,000 plus was the cost for the New Annex Bldg & It Still Has "Unnecessary" Issue, Due to Poor Planning...
PS. If any BOD Member truly believes SLR's Sewer System has an additional 40 Year Life Span...
They can not "See The Trees" !!!
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Feb 27, 2014 23:37:02 GMT -5
JA is right, a good commercial grade carpet and drop ceiling tiles, and good window coverings would really be a great idea for them to take care of this acoustics problem, I know, my dad built commercial buildings that were pretty much shells, before he'd complete the interiors of these buildings, the acoustics were horrible, but, when we added carpet, drop-ceiling tiles and window coverings, the acoustics were much better.
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