Post by Admin on Oct 15, 2013 13:50:35 GMT -5
Cross-post from AnonNews
August 28,2013
Carport going in at Silver Doctor....oops sorry.... 24x14 BBQ/picnic shelter
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24 feet by 14 feet
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Which lot?
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GOOD FOR ''CAR PORT GUY'' !!!!!
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Just drive by. You can't miss it!
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But I'm not in Florida
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Then it will be up when you get here and everyone will either have one or bitch about it.
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I want a carport and then bitch about having one .
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Carport is at #9 Silver Dr. It Looks Good... Wide as house and out about 14 ft. An ex-BOD members home B. Also has a golf cart shelter attached to shed... Also looks good. Also new enclosed back porch. Must be nice $$$$...
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I don't want a carport but I'll bitch about it anyway. Betcha LOTS of people will be putting carports in since so many lots have no covenants. Is D-Bag going into carport business when he retires from BOD?
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B Bxxxx. Lot expires early 2014.
Notice of commencement and permits obtained to extend deck and add ramp, screen room with roof, and carport, walkway, window & gutter. Two of three notices notarized by Shn (Feb and July 2013).
So, has he flicked the finger at SLohA and built a covenant prohibited structure? Or gotten special permission for improvements from MANBOD? Or do these structures conform to current covenants which his lot is still encumbered by? Anyone know?
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August 28, 2013
Only thing I know, he is one of the: If you do not like it here then move Group.
Butt Head Newbie
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August 29, 2013
News is that B is hoppin' mad at IT for callin' the police and attempting to stop work on his carport!
Good Luck IT! You can't stop work if he has a county permit and if you try, he will S u e YOU, your boss and SLohA for any damages or expenses incurred as a result of your interference. Police will treat this as a civil dispute unless someone engages in criminal behavior.
Welcome B--you might be the new PosterBoy for SLR's Team TroubleMakers!
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We just got denied for a 24 x 14 "Shade area" in front of our home. DENIED is hand written across the form. I just read the title "The Form" and the damn thing has a title the size of Texas!! Office permit for short. I cracked up as Hubby handed it to me like it was his badge of honor. He's such a shit stirrer!
Unbelievable .....well maybe not, that IT would call the cops on someone who OWNS the property he is working on. I've said this many times and going to say it again: UNLESS IT or MANBOD start paying your taxes and Assoc. dues, they have NO right to tell you what you can do on your property!! With that said, we also don't want the place to start looking like redneck white trash trailer park either.
Why is it, that IT calls the cops when she can't get her way? One would think the first time she called them and they told her it was civil matter would have been enough. But I guess that stupid woman just can't learn from her mistakes. So now there are 3 people in SLR who wear the "IT" Frustration badge. Wear it with Pride and Honor boys because you made the woman so angry she became the nitwit that she is.
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B can now be classed as a selected few in here,who the manager has called the police on , in a civil matter
R Mxxxxxx....for taking a sauna
G Sxxxxxxxxx....For checking in insurance papers
And now B Bxxxx...For cH allenging the rules.
B, you are now a trouble maker and attacks from board and manager will be relentless as with others in here.
Good on you...Stand up for your rights
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lets get the facts and people's names spelled correctly,
R Mxxxxxx(proper spelling) went to the Jacuzzi, didn't see a "closed" sign, and went in it, without knowing it was closed, result: manager called cops on him for trespassing and wanted him arrested, no arrest was made, cops said she did not have cause to have him arrested.
G Sxxxxxxxxx(proper spelling) went to the office to complain about a letter sent to him by the manager to clean a Sm all water stain off the front of his house, he said he didn't have to do it, said he would write "f**k you" on any subsequent letters and send them back to her, result: manager called the cops on him for harassing her, cops said she did not have cause to have him arrested.
B Bxxxx got the proper county permits for his add-ons, and really, was NOT cH allenging any rule(s) because the rules are EXPIRED.
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Have you determined whether your lot's covenants have expired? If yes, you do not need to submit any paperwork or notification to IT. You are only accountable for the county permit.
If your lot is expired, you might also communicate back to IT that THE FORM was not asking for SLohA permission and specifically state that your lot's covenants are expired and SLohA has no authority to Grnt or deny county-permitted property modifications.
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September 6, 2013
What is the deal with Bxxxx's new carport? Did work stop? Are the hate letters flying? Did the BOD decide to spend the reserves on legal fees to try to get it removed? Is IT in a snit?
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Drive by #9 Silver Doctor and take a look, the carport looks to have been completed already, at least that's the way it looked last weekend, when I drove by, Bxxxx still had the building permit on the front of his house; and the one who would know about any "hate" letters (if any) would be Bxxxx, but he's probably not going to discuss his carport business w/ just anyone who randomly asks. I seriously doubt manbod can get him to remove it, oh, and last, by the way, it is Friday, and on Fridays, IT is always in a snit...
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just to clarify, Mr. Bxxxx's new structure is NOT a carport, it is, in all actuality, an awning due to the fact that it only 14 feet over the driveway; anything over 14 feet IS considered to be a carport by Bartow permitting office.
We need more people in here, like Mr. Bxxxxx, that aren't afraid to stand up for themselves and do what they know to be right. Kudos to Mr. B!
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The structure is NOT a carport! Anyone have a Deadbook to look up description of carport structure?
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September 7, 2013
Since the Red/Dead Book IS dead, it doesn't matter what's in it--or not with regard to "carports", and since carports, per se, were never allowed in here, there would be NO description of such a structure.
However, since Bartow gave Mr. Bxxxxx a permit for his "structure", there probably is some sort of general description of such a "structure".
Of course, Mr. Bxxxx might have had to give Bartow some general dimensions of his intended "structure" to be placed on his permit
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O.K. peeps, lissen up, under Regulation 4--Architectural and Landscaping Controls for Members Lots, Page 8, which includes regulation 4-4g.1: "CARPORTS: No structure on a lot may be used as a carport."
After that is regulation 4-4G.1 PORCHES: Porches are permitted and may be enclosed only if it is included in the overall measurement of twenty-four (24) feet by forty-eight (48) feet as set forth in Regulation 4-4B.1
Go to the DEAD book to Regulation 4 to see the rest...
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The Deadbook is in death throes but not yet completely dead. It is still applicable for perhaps 20-25% of SLR including Mr. Bxxxx's lot. His lot is not set to expire until early 2014.
So, one must reference the deed restrictions on his lot to determine compliance. It there is no reference at all to carports or similar structures that could conceivably "house" a car, then there is no problem for Mr. Bxxxx. I do recall some discussion of this but don't recall the specifics--only grapevine chatter that "they weren't allowed and DBag wanted to build them for profit".
If BOD were smart, they would have put this issue on the ballot a long time ago. It would probably have a very good chance of passing. They could choose to do this next February instead of paying lawyer fees. If it passes, no more issue. (Of course, by that time the covenants on Bxxxx's lot will have expired).
If there is a reference prohibiting Carports, without a description of a structure defined as a "carport", then he is probably in a good position with having a county permit that defines the structure as NOT a carport. SLohA will spend lots of YOUR money on legal fees and end up settling with Mr. Bxxxx, lose and pay Mr. Bxxxx for HIS legal fees too--from YOUR money.
If there is a specific description in the Deadbook as to the configuration ie materials, dimensions, placement, attachments of a carport, then Mr. Bxxxx will have a tougher time defending his structure from cH allenge by SLohA.
Mr Bxxxx might also defend his structure by referencing other similar uncH allenged structures in SLR; I am aware two other homes in SLR that have what most people might casually describe as a carport-like structure which have, in fact, been used as a "roofed structure attached to the living unit with a car parked beneath it."
Mr Bxxxx might cH allenge the legality of the Rule if it did not appear in the original Deadbook document, since we all know many rules were submitted "as if" they were balloted and affirmed but never were adopted by due process. I would do this as a matter of routine; it is my suspicion that most of the rules were adopted without owner consensus and I doubt they will survive legal scrutiny.
Since Mr. Bxxxx's lot expires in early 2014, there will soon be no SLohA compliance issues. Only Polk County rules are applicable. If SLohA chooses to spend YOUR money between now and then on legal fees pursuing a dying issue then members should look beneath the surface and ask themselves "Who is the BOD really serving?"
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September 8, 2013
That's the prohibition?
So..the Deadbook actually permits structures but prohibits their use to house a car? You could park your bicycle, motorcycle or golf cart under it but not your car! That's a functional definition--not an architectural one.
So the only thing Bxxxx did was not to get permission from BOD for the structure? Would the structure have been otherwise approved had it not been identified as a carport but rather, an unenclosed porch?
The immediate fix seems obvious for Mr. Bxxxx; as long as his lot is encumbered by the HOA, don't park your car under it. Use it for a covered BBQ and have a party. I'll bring a cooler of ice. When your lot expires, clean up the BBQ sauce on the pavement and park away!
Scratchin' my head over this one....
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To Head Scratcher above : Selsun Blue will take the itch away but for the puzzling absurdity of Car Discrimination I cant help you .
I do recommend a nice Merlot to dissipate the confusion though !
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September 9, 2013
personally, I prefer a dark imported beer...
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September 10, 2013
I much prefer a merlot haze to the maze of undecipherable Deadbook rules.
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HOLY COW ! Txxxxx Paving Truck doing 40+mph in SLR @ 7:20 AM to and from the Maint. area/
I thought the Contractors aren't allowed in till 8:00 AM ?
Where is the Security Force ?
Maybe instead of worrying about a car port Management should follow their own rules they make up or just kick Txxxx to the curb before they kill someone .
It seems our Safety is not as important as stroking the contractors .
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September 8, 2013
There's an agenda up @ Post Office for the 9/11/13 bod meeting @ 9 a.m., & I see that Kxx Lxxxx plans on discussing the SLohA covenants and next the carport @ # 9 Silver Doctor, hope someone can go to this meeting to find out what type of crap he'll spew out of his mouth on these 2 subjects, (I can't go, got an appt. @ that time,)
August 28,2013
Carport going in at Silver Doctor....oops sorry.... 24x14 BBQ/picnic shelter
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24 feet by 14 feet
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Which lot?
________________________________________________
GOOD FOR ''CAR PORT GUY'' !!!!!
___________________________________________-
Just drive by. You can't miss it!
_____________________________________________
But I'm not in Florida
____________________________________________-
Then it will be up when you get here and everyone will either have one or bitch about it.
_____________________________________________________
I want a carport and then bitch about having one .
_________________________________________
Carport is at #9 Silver Dr. It Looks Good... Wide as house and out about 14 ft. An ex-BOD members home B. Also has a golf cart shelter attached to shed... Also looks good. Also new enclosed back porch. Must be nice $$$$...
__________________________________________________
I don't want a carport but I'll bitch about it anyway. Betcha LOTS of people will be putting carports in since so many lots have no covenants. Is D-Bag going into carport business when he retires from BOD?
________________________________________________
B Bxxxx. Lot expires early 2014.
Notice of commencement and permits obtained to extend deck and add ramp, screen room with roof, and carport, walkway, window & gutter. Two of three notices notarized by Shn (Feb and July 2013).
So, has he flicked the finger at SLohA and built a covenant prohibited structure? Or gotten special permission for improvements from MANBOD? Or do these structures conform to current covenants which his lot is still encumbered by? Anyone know?
________________________________________________
August 28, 2013
Only thing I know, he is one of the: If you do not like it here then move Group.
Butt Head Newbie
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August 29, 2013
News is that B is hoppin' mad at IT for callin' the police and attempting to stop work on his carport!
Good Luck IT! You can't stop work if he has a county permit and if you try, he will S u e YOU, your boss and SLohA for any damages or expenses incurred as a result of your interference. Police will treat this as a civil dispute unless someone engages in criminal behavior.
Welcome B--you might be the new PosterBoy for SLR's Team TroubleMakers!
__________________________________________________________________
We just got denied for a 24 x 14 "Shade area" in front of our home. DENIED is hand written across the form. I just read the title "The Form" and the damn thing has a title the size of Texas!! Office permit for short. I cracked up as Hubby handed it to me like it was his badge of honor. He's such a shit stirrer!
Unbelievable .....well maybe not, that IT would call the cops on someone who OWNS the property he is working on. I've said this many times and going to say it again: UNLESS IT or MANBOD start paying your taxes and Assoc. dues, they have NO right to tell you what you can do on your property!! With that said, we also don't want the place to start looking like redneck white trash trailer park either.
Why is it, that IT calls the cops when she can't get her way? One would think the first time she called them and they told her it was civil matter would have been enough. But I guess that stupid woman just can't learn from her mistakes. So now there are 3 people in SLR who wear the "IT" Frustration badge. Wear it with Pride and Honor boys because you made the woman so angry she became the nitwit that she is.
____________________________________________
B can now be classed as a selected few in here,who the manager has called the police on , in a civil matter
R Mxxxxxx....for taking a sauna
G Sxxxxxxxxx....For checking in insurance papers
And now B Bxxxx...For cH allenging the rules.
B, you are now a trouble maker and attacks from board and manager will be relentless as with others in here.
Good on you...Stand up for your rights
__________________________________________
lets get the facts and people's names spelled correctly,
R Mxxxxxx(proper spelling) went to the Jacuzzi, didn't see a "closed" sign, and went in it, without knowing it was closed, result: manager called cops on him for trespassing and wanted him arrested, no arrest was made, cops said she did not have cause to have him arrested.
G Sxxxxxxxxx(proper spelling) went to the office to complain about a letter sent to him by the manager to clean a Sm all water stain off the front of his house, he said he didn't have to do it, said he would write "f**k you" on any subsequent letters and send them back to her, result: manager called the cops on him for harassing her, cops said she did not have cause to have him arrested.
B Bxxxx got the proper county permits for his add-ons, and really, was NOT cH allenging any rule(s) because the rules are EXPIRED.
____________________________________________________
Have you determined whether your lot's covenants have expired? If yes, you do not need to submit any paperwork or notification to IT. You are only accountable for the county permit.
If your lot is expired, you might also communicate back to IT that THE FORM was not asking for SLohA permission and specifically state that your lot's covenants are expired and SLohA has no authority to Grnt or deny county-permitted property modifications.
___________________________________________
September 6, 2013
What is the deal with Bxxxx's new carport? Did work stop? Are the hate letters flying? Did the BOD decide to spend the reserves on legal fees to try to get it removed? Is IT in a snit?
_________________________________________-
Drive by #9 Silver Doctor and take a look, the carport looks to have been completed already, at least that's the way it looked last weekend, when I drove by, Bxxxx still had the building permit on the front of his house; and the one who would know about any "hate" letters (if any) would be Bxxxx, but he's probably not going to discuss his carport business w/ just anyone who randomly asks. I seriously doubt manbod can get him to remove it, oh, and last, by the way, it is Friday, and on Fridays, IT is always in a snit...
____________________________________________
just to clarify, Mr. Bxxxx's new structure is NOT a carport, it is, in all actuality, an awning due to the fact that it only 14 feet over the driveway; anything over 14 feet IS considered to be a carport by Bartow permitting office.
We need more people in here, like Mr. Bxxxxx, that aren't afraid to stand up for themselves and do what they know to be right. Kudos to Mr. B!
_____________________________________
The structure is NOT a carport! Anyone have a Deadbook to look up description of carport structure?
____________________________________________________
September 7, 2013
Since the Red/Dead Book IS dead, it doesn't matter what's in it--or not with regard to "carports", and since carports, per se, were never allowed in here, there would be NO description of such a structure.
However, since Bartow gave Mr. Bxxxxx a permit for his "structure", there probably is some sort of general description of such a "structure".
Of course, Mr. Bxxxx might have had to give Bartow some general dimensions of his intended "structure" to be placed on his permit
_________________________________________________
O.K. peeps, lissen up, under Regulation 4--Architectural and Landscaping Controls for Members Lots, Page 8, which includes regulation 4-4g.1: "CARPORTS: No structure on a lot may be used as a carport."
After that is regulation 4-4G.1 PORCHES: Porches are permitted and may be enclosed only if it is included in the overall measurement of twenty-four (24) feet by forty-eight (48) feet as set forth in Regulation 4-4B.1
Go to the DEAD book to Regulation 4 to see the rest...
_______________________________________________
The Deadbook is in death throes but not yet completely dead. It is still applicable for perhaps 20-25% of SLR including Mr. Bxxxx's lot. His lot is not set to expire until early 2014.
So, one must reference the deed restrictions on his lot to determine compliance. It there is no reference at all to carports or similar structures that could conceivably "house" a car, then there is no problem for Mr. Bxxxx. I do recall some discussion of this but don't recall the specifics--only grapevine chatter that "they weren't allowed and DBag wanted to build them for profit".
If BOD were smart, they would have put this issue on the ballot a long time ago. It would probably have a very good chance of passing. They could choose to do this next February instead of paying lawyer fees. If it passes, no more issue. (Of course, by that time the covenants on Bxxxx's lot will have expired).
If there is a reference prohibiting Carports, without a description of a structure defined as a "carport", then he is probably in a good position with having a county permit that defines the structure as NOT a carport. SLohA will spend lots of YOUR money on legal fees and end up settling with Mr. Bxxxx, lose and pay Mr. Bxxxx for HIS legal fees too--from YOUR money.
If there is a specific description in the Deadbook as to the configuration ie materials, dimensions, placement, attachments of a carport, then Mr. Bxxxx will have a tougher time defending his structure from cH allenge by SLohA.
Mr Bxxxx might also defend his structure by referencing other similar uncH allenged structures in SLR; I am aware two other homes in SLR that have what most people might casually describe as a carport-like structure which have, in fact, been used as a "roofed structure attached to the living unit with a car parked beneath it."
Mr Bxxxx might cH allenge the legality of the Rule if it did not appear in the original Deadbook document, since we all know many rules were submitted "as if" they were balloted and affirmed but never were adopted by due process. I would do this as a matter of routine; it is my suspicion that most of the rules were adopted without owner consensus and I doubt they will survive legal scrutiny.
Since Mr. Bxxxx's lot expires in early 2014, there will soon be no SLohA compliance issues. Only Polk County rules are applicable. If SLohA chooses to spend YOUR money between now and then on legal fees pursuing a dying issue then members should look beneath the surface and ask themselves "Who is the BOD really serving?"
______________________________________________________
September 8, 2013
That's the prohibition?
So..the Deadbook actually permits structures but prohibits their use to house a car? You could park your bicycle, motorcycle or golf cart under it but not your car! That's a functional definition--not an architectural one.So the only thing Bxxxx did was not to get permission from BOD for the structure? Would the structure have been otherwise approved had it not been identified as a carport but rather, an unenclosed porch?
The immediate fix seems obvious for Mr. Bxxxx; as long as his lot is encumbered by the HOA, don't park your car under it. Use it for a covered BBQ and have a party. I'll bring a cooler of ice. When your lot expires, clean up the BBQ sauce on the pavement and park away!
Scratchin' my head over this one....
_____________________________________________________
To Head Scratcher above : Selsun Blue will take the itch away but for the puzzling absurdity of Car Discrimination I cant help you .
I do recommend a nice Merlot to dissipate the confusion though !
_________________________________________
September 9, 2013
personally, I prefer a dark imported beer...
_____________________________________________________
September 10, 2013
I much prefer a merlot haze to the maze of undecipherable Deadbook rules.
___________________________________________________________
HOLY COW ! Txxxxx Paving Truck doing 40+mph in SLR @ 7:20 AM to and from the Maint. area/
I thought the Contractors aren't allowed in till 8:00 AM ?
Where is the Security Force ?
Maybe instead of worrying about a car port Management should follow their own rules they make up or just kick Txxxx to the curb before they kill someone .
It seems our Safety is not as important as stroking the contractors .
___________________________________________________________________
September 8, 2013
There's an agenda up @ Post Office for the 9/11/13 bod meeting @ 9 a.m., & I see that Kxx Lxxxx plans on discussing the SLohA covenants and next the carport @ # 9 Silver Doctor, hope someone can go to this meeting to find out what type of crap he'll spew out of his mouth on these 2 subjects, (I can't go, got an appt. @ that time,)
