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Post by Dick Tracy on May 30, 2014 0:52:04 GMT -5
Quote: 5/28/2014
Managers' Report at Monday's KK Meeting: Good morning!
"Jewln C-to, our new water engineer, has submitted our 2013 Annual Water Report to SWFWMD.
He is also working in conjunction with LMK Pipe Renewal on scheduling the sewer lateral repairs and another proposal to do the north waste plant rehabilitation."
What is this? Another proposal to do the North Waste Plant Rehabilitation.... What is the estimated cost for doing a Rehabilitation of the North Waste Plant? Was this a planned Project for 2014 or is this a get it done now... Board Member, D.B. please fill us in on the details of this rehabilitation to the North Waste Plant. Thank You.
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Post by DB on May 31, 2014 6:54:22 GMT -5
Quote: 5/28/2014
Managers' Report at Monday's KK Meeting: Good morning!
"Jewln C-to, our new water engineer, has submitted our 2013 Annual Water Report to SWFWMD.
He is also working in conjunction with LMK Pipe Renewal on scheduling the sewer lateral repairs and another proposal to do the north waste plant rehabilitation."
What is this? Another proposal to do the North Waste Plant Rehabilitation.... What is the estimated cost for doing a Rehabilitation of the North Waste Plant? Was this a planned Project for 2014 or is this a get it done now... Board Member, D.B. please fill us in on the details of this rehabilitation to the North Waste Plant. Thank You.
Here is what I have found out to date. This was all anticipated with the formation of the budget which was done last October and budgeted based on two proposals we had at the time. We alternate rehab of the sewer plants each year. One year is the south plant and the other year is the north plant. This has to be done during the summer months because one plant or the other is off line while repairs are being done. Now that we have a new engineer, Jewln, he has brought his own crew in to evaluate the situation and thinks we should be able to do the rehab this year for less then the lowest bid we have received (which we now have three). We don't have the final figure yet but should have for the next board meeting coming in June. It should be reflected in the meeting minutes which will be posted on the SLR web site. |
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Post by BagLady on May 31, 2014 8:32:24 GMT -5
Very informative-thank you. I am understanding from your post that this "rehab" is ongoing and routine maintenance of the plants on a revolving basis and is an Operating Cost? What work constitutes "rehab"? Is "rehab" typical for all plants or necessary for these plants? I don't recall ever hearing about this expense before so I am in the Dark, along with Mr. Tracy.
I am pleased that you have chosen to provide information. Presumably, you are a source who should know.
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on May 31, 2014 9:01:32 GMT -5
Info on the Sewer plant is great, wish you'd come on here and explain why residents cannot get check disbursement records or get an answer as to why our By-Laws were violated by adding a vendor to check signors at the bank.
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Post by BagLady on May 31, 2014 10:28:43 GMT -5
Here is a promotional article written by the contractor for the lateral/mainline sewer repairs that I found to be pretty good at explaining the problem of infiltration. LMK articleThis is basic corporate info from sunbiz.org Florida Limited Liability Company LMK PIPE RENEWAL, LLC Business Categories Underground Wire and Cable Laying Contrs in Fort Lauderdale, FL Water/Sewer/Utility Construction Filing Information Document Number L06000000404 FEI/EIN Number 204042534 Date Filed 01/03/2006 State FL Status ACTIVE Principal Address 1131 NW 55 ST FORT LAUDERDALE, FL 33309 Changed: 02/26/2007 Mailing Address 1131 NW 55 ST FORT LAUDERDALE, FL 33309 Changed: 02/26/2007 Registered Agent Name & Address LEONARD, W R 633 SO ANDREWS AVENUE SUITE 402 FORT LAUDERDALE, FL 33301-2857 Authorized Person(s) Detail Name & Address Title MGR KIEST, leery JR. 1131 NW 55 ST FORT LAUDERDALE, FL 33309 Title MGR RINEHART, Jhn F 1131 NW 55 ST FORT LAUDERDALE, FL 33309 |
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Post by Dick Tracy on May 31, 2014 22:03:16 GMT -5
Thanks for getting back in touch with the Info..
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Post by Forward into the Past on Jun 3, 2014 7:41:03 GMT -5
Just talking to different folks about starting up the voluntary association{VASS} This is for non members, whose covenants have expired. It can also apply to members as the covenants and rules are no longer enforceable as the majority of them have expired The numbers will be Sm all to start off with,but as we go along more and more will come to realize VASS is the best solution. 1 All lawsuits will be sorted out. 2 We will have a more open community ,without controls and permission slips from the manager 3The community will be brought together again through mutual agreement, rather then being controlled as it is now. The first steps are being taken ,and as we see things like forcing this internet in against the vote,people will switch over and give us the support needed to move on into a better future for S-bag. It has been agreed that many want to join anonymously to avoid persecution from board members and manager that have intimidated and threatened in the past to anyone who speaks out against them. What court was this decided in? I don't recall reading about it. Who was the judge that made that decision? @ BACK: maybe you could have the comments subpoenaed one day and then filed in Federal Court the next? Or, make some frivolous claim of Denial of Service and a 10 year jail sentence? How did those Federal Filings on the 20 Letters from residents go for you? Many of us are still waiting, remember you claimed that we "took away peoples Federal right to vote".
Did you run out of hot air? AMEN!
btw, the IP you posted under is 209.216.198.242
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Post by DB on Jun 5, 2014 7:05:08 GMT -5
Quote: 5/28/2014
Managers' Report at Monday's KK Meeting: Good morning!
"Jewln C-to, our new water engineer, has submitted our 2013 Annual Water Report to SWFWMD.
He is also working in conjunction with LMK Pipe Renewal on scheduling the sewer lateral repairs and another proposal to do the north waste plant rehabilitation."
What is this? Another proposal to do the North Waste Plant Rehabilitation.... What is the estimated cost for doing a Rehabilitation of the North Waste Plant? Was this a planned Project for 2014 or is this a get it done now... Board Member, D.B. please fill us in on the details of this rehabilitation to the North Waste Plant. Thank You.
Here is what I have found out to date. This was all anticipated with the formation of the budget which was done last October and budgeted based on two proposals we had at the time. We alternate rehab of the sewer plants each year. One year is the south plant and the other year is the north plant. This has to be done during the summer months because one plant or the other is off line while repairs are being done. Now that we have a new engineer, Jewln, he has brought his own crew in to evaluate the situation and thinks we should be able to do the rehab this year for less then the lowest bid we have received (which we now have three). We don't have the final figure yet but should have for the next board meeting coming in June. It should be reflected in the meeting minutes which will be posted on the SLR web site. Correction! I was led to believe the plants (north/south) were rehab'd every other year. Maintenance is preformed on the plants on an alternate basis and has been for several years. However last years maintenance revealed that the plants would have to have major rehab work done in the next couple of years. That is why the item was included in the budget proposal that started last October. We have the three bids for that work now and I can tell you the difference between the three is huge. The engineer is working on possibly bringing in a forth bid. The major rehab will involve some type of liner or coating of the tanks and endurance verses costs is still being evaluated. The board is looking at what will be the best bang for the buck. There is a large difference in the type of material used and will work, to some degree, for what the are intended (fix pot marks, fill cracks, etc.) but how long they last will be one of the deciding factors. We were supposed to have the information/recommendation from the engineer before the June BOD meeting but I Hayvn't seen it as yet. Stand-by. |
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Post by Dick Tracy on Jun 5, 2014 13:26:16 GMT -5
I have made the comment for a few years, that the Sewer/Water Reserves are way under funded. $125,000 placed in our Sewer/Water Reserve each year to extend the life of the Sewer Plant for many years is a Pipe Dream.... Down the road at some point in time, a very large Special Sewer Assessment will be needed. It is my opinion that $800,000 is only 1/3 of the total amount needed in our Sewer/Water Reserve Fund. I have said this before, the one thing that will shut down SLR, is our Sewer Plant. Just do the math.. We are putting $125,000 a year into the Sewer Fund, current amount in fund approximately $800,000, cost to replace plant $3.2 plus million, 2014 Sewer Project #1 estimated cost $200,000 plus and cost unknown for Sewer Project #2 at the plant. I think we are spending SLR's money in the wrong places.. We do not have a Frugal mind set any more. Instead we are the Big Spenders.
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Post by BagLady on Jun 6, 2014 13:16:30 GMT -5
This kind of information is valuable and welcomed on this Forum. The fact that you posted a correction to previous information is a positive sign. It explains, in a reasonable fashion, the discrepancy of what has been previously disclosed to Owners and what seems to be "slipped in" without disclosure. It's a start. It also validates what was communicated by Polk County engineers in their written report in 2007 (posted on this Forum).
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Post by BagLady on Jun 6, 2014 20:16:47 GMT -5
Well, now Baglady is confused.
You said:
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Below is the last 4 years expense budget allocated to the anticipated wastewater plant expenses. It appears that most of the increase was allocated to Reserves.
I tried to find the adjustment that was made to the budget last October that you stated had been made to account for the two proposals SLohA had at the time for the plant rehab, but I could not identify any entry into the budget that would take a major rehab expense to the wastewater plant into consideration.
1. What were the initial two proposals taken into account during budget preparation last October?
2. Was this expected expense put somewhere else within the budget other than Contract Services, Parts/Supplies or Contributions to Reserves?
3. Is an expense being eliminated to offset the new expense from the rehab proposals?
It is impossible to identify the specific budget allocation based on the available information. It seems doubtful that it was incorporated into the Reserve contribution which was barely 1K more THIS year than last.
Aside from the obvious need to provide a sufficient level of repair for the continued operation of the wastewater plant, it is concerning if this major rehab expense--which no one was aware of and was not part of routine plant maintenance-- has been sufficiently anticipated in the current budget. Is a Special Assessment going to be necessary?
Identifiable Operating and Reserve Wastewater Expenses
2011 Contract 25K Cont to Reserve 50K Parts/Sup 24K Total 99K
2012 Contract 40K Cont to Reserve 62K Parts/Sup 36K Total 138K
2013 Contract 25K Cont Reserve 125K Parts/Sup 25K Total 175K
2014 Contract 25K Cont Reserve 126K Parts/Sup 27K Total 178K
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Post by Dick Tracy on Jun 6, 2014 22:37:21 GMT -5
DB's (Second post)
______________________________________________________________________________________________________Correction! ..." However last years maintenance revealed that the plants would have to have major rehab work done in the next couple of years. That is why the item was included in the budget proposal that started last October. We have the three bids for that work now."
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Question?
Why are SLR's members always left in the dark? This Major Rehab Work to the Sewer Plant is just one of many things, we learn about after the fact.
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Jun 15, 2014 11:57:53 GMT -5
Quote: 5/28/2014
Managers' Report at Monday's KK Meeting: Good morning!
"Jewln C-to, our new water engineer, has submitted our 2013 Annual Water Report to SWFWMD.
He is also working in conjunction with LMK Pipe Renewal on scheduling the sewer lateral repairs and another proposal to do the north waste plant rehabilitation."
What is this? Another proposal to do the North Waste Plant Rehabilitation.... What is the estimated cost for doing a Rehabilitation of the North Waste Plant? Was this a planned Project for 2014 or is this a get it done now... Board Member, D.B. please fill us in on the details of this rehabilitation to the North Waste Plant. Thank You.
Here is what I have found out to date. This was all anticipated with the formation of the budget which was done last October and budgeted based on two proposals we had at the time. We alternate rehab of the sewer plants each year. One year is the south plant and the other year is the north plant. This has to be done during the summer months because one plant or the other is off line while repairs are being done. Now that we have a new engineer, Jewln, he has brought his own crew in to evaluate the situation and thinks we should be able to do the rehab this year for less then the lowest bid we have received (which we now have three). We don't have the final figure yet but should have for the next board meeting coming in June. It should be reflected in the meeting minutes which will be posted on the SLR web site. We'd like to know more about the proposed cost of this project and what the three bids are--residents should be allowed to know these kinds of things.
There has been NO mention of any amounts on this, and the June 2014 meeting has come and gone.
I suspect this will be another one of those costs that start at one number, yet wind up being so much more.
Just as with the new annex, and the new dock--both projects that, in the end, cost way more than the proposed amount and/or budgeted amount.
What would the reason(s) be for the board keeping pertinent bid info and over-all total cost info from the very people that are funding these projects? We all know that both the dock and new annex went way over projected cost but still have had NO definitive total ACTUAL costs of these two projects.
I suspect the cost of the sewer laterals, the rehab of the North sewer plant and even the cost to repair/replace the two tennis courts will also go way over projected and/or budgeted amounts.
I do believe that with the costs spiraling out of sight on these projects, that there is profit being made on the back of owners, and it's not just going in the pocket of the contractor(s). The board is keeping these costs, (and others) secret for their own greedy, selfish reasons, and, if that's not the reason, then board members should have already provided ALL costs of these projects--and broken down in appropriate categories.
Oh, and by the way, where are those check registers for the first quarter 2014? These records were requested, but NEVER yet given to the resident owner(s) requesting them. WHY are records being kept from owners?
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2014 10:39:36 GMT -5
10 days later...still no answer:
What is this--a stupid MANBOD joke?? Someone who "sounds like BOD" comes to the Forum, has pertinent information on the subject for a change, drops a tidbit of detail on the board and, when followup questions are asked--has NO answers in response to his/her own assertion about the budget? Is this avoidance/inability to answer questions a "F*** U--go make an expensive Official Records request if you want details", carelessness, laziness, ignorance, arrogance or just passive-aggressive MANBOD behavior ?
MAN UP, Poster! If you don't know the answers, say so. If you do know, post! If you are going to participate and contribute something of value--PARTICIPATE! If you just want to showboat, find another outlet!
Perhaps this is just one more variation of "Shut Up--Sit Down--Move out!"?
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Jun 17, 2014 12:39:23 GMT -5
10 days later...still no answer: What is this--a stupid MANBOD joke?? Someone who "sounds like BOD" comes to the Forum, has pertinent information on the subject for a change, drops a tidbit of detail on the board and, when followup questions are asked--has NO answers in response to his/her own assertion about the budget? Is this avoidance/inability to answer questions a "F*** U--go make an expensive Official Records request if you want details", carelessness, laziness, ignorance, arrogance or just passive-aggressive MANBOD behavior ? MAN UP, Poster! If you don't know the answers, say so. If you do know, post! If you are going to participate and contribute something of value--PARTICIPATE! If you just want to showboat, find another outlet! Perhaps this is just one more variation of "Shut Up--Sit Down--Move out!"? Their practice is to provide little to no truth, but have wholesale bullshit widely available... |
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