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Post by Admin on Jul 30, 2014 16:54:58 GMT -5
At LAST! SLohA finally has a Storage Lot Agreement between Owners and SLohA. Attachment Deleted
Attachment DeletedHere is the Agreement: Note that rentals are either monthly or yearly; there is no discount for annual versus monthly. • S-bag LAKE OWNERS ASSOCIATION, INC. (for the purposes of all related business transactions aka SLohA) STORAGE LOT RENTAL AGREEMENT Shed $64.20/yr _______ 30' Lot $102.72/yr _______
5.35/mo _______ 8.56/mo _______
20'Lot $77.04/yr ______ 35' Lot $115.56/yr _______
6.42/mo _____ 9.63/mo _______
Rental Fees: (all fees include 7% Florida sales tax) Fees are collected upon rental of storage tot(s) and prorated, when necessary, on the due date. Lot fees on monthly rentals will be collected on the first of every month. Lot fees on yearly rentals will be collected on April 1. No refunds if lot is vacated prior to the end of month or end of year period. Lot fees are to be paid at the SLohA office. Payment methods: personal check or money order. We do not accept cash or credit cards. I _______________ on this day of _________.20 ___, retain the use of SLohA storage lot(s) # _______ , and understand that my fees include the use of the lot only (including a shed which may already be in place if it is a shed lot). SLohA is the owner of said lot and any existing shed. Thereby, if the storage fee(s) are not paid forward in a timely manner, I will relinquish use of said lot(s), and will remove all of my personal property and vacate the lot(s) within 30 days after the due date of the payment owed. If my property is not removed within the allotted time SLohA will remove and store it at my expense. I also understand that SLohA Is not responsible for lost, stolen, or damaged private property while stored/parked on SLohA storage lot, or on any other common property area belonging to SLohA, and that my rented lot(s) is/are to be kept clean and free of any loose items or unsightly debris pursuant to the Governing Documents of SLohA under Section 4-6F. Any shed or vehicle (including trailers) must also be kept clean, SLohA having provided the use of water and power in the storage area for your convenience and compliance with stated Rules and Regulations. Vehicles also need to have current tags/registration, be in working condition, and tires need to be roadworthy. Lawn care for the storage lot is provided by SLohA as it is considered common property. Additionally, I understand that l am allowed up to a 10 X 10 ft storage shed on my rented lot(s), not to exceed 10 ft in height, and that a signed (by the Board or its agent) permission slip from SLohA is necessary to place a shed on said rented lot(s), pursuant to the Governing Documents of SLohA Section 9-4A, and that I must adhere to all Polk County codes and regulations concerning building permits and wind codes (sheds, boats, and trailers must be tied down) pursuant to the SLohA Governing Documents Section 4-41. DATE: , 20 SIGNED: PRINT: STUMP LOT/LOTS RELINQUISHED ON: DATE: , 20 SIGNED: PRINT: (The contract refers to Section 9-4A in the last paragraph--there is NO such section in any SLohA governing document! The provision relating to storage is RULE 5-9A. So much for attention to detail by the "manager"...)CARE OF EXTERIOR 4-6F) If the exterior of a residence, storage shed, or vehicle located on a residential lot or a storage lot becomes unsightly, owners will be given a written notice to correct the condition within 14 days. After that time, the manager will arrange for said correction at the expense of the owners. (Owners should be aware that there is NO provision in the Covenants giving authority to the Association to charge individual owners for perceived defects on personal property. Additionally, the rule is very poorly-written with no objective measure to assess what is "unsightly"--even if the authority to levy owner for work order charges was in the Covenants. This is the same problem as with garbage stumps--absence of authority to charge for unpermitted "corrective" work.)STORAGE AREA 5-9A) When a storage shed is placed in the storage area, it must not be larger than ten (10) feet by ten (10) feet and not to exceed ten (10) feet in height. It must have a treated wooden or metal floor and be adequately anchored down. It must be placed in such a way that the door, when opened, does not extend beyond the limit of the lot. Only one shed is permitted on a storage lot. 5-9B) Boats and trailers in storage must be towable at all times. Motor vehicles must be in driving condition at all times. (Another poorly-written rule. What is "adequately anchored down"? What is the specific requirements that determine if a shed is "adequately anchored down?".)Not true. SLohA does not get a pass for negligence:RESPONSIBILITY FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY 3-5) The Association sH all not be responsible for loss or damage to personal property left in the common area except as result of negligence by the Association or its employees. Residents alone sH all be responsible for locking and securing all personal property on their lot. Specific requests for assistance sH all be considered. |
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Post by Dick Tracy on Jul 30, 2014 23:38:02 GMT -5
Polk Co. does not have any tie down specifications for RV Trailers and or Boats. The County does have specifications for modular homes anchor points and hardware specs., plus the county does an on-site inspection on new modular homes tie-downs. But they do not have any guide lines on how to anchor/secure a RV Trailer or a Boat. Owners choice!!! SLR Rule on tie-downs == Any thing will do, just do something... Again, our leaders do not take the time to think things out...
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Post by Admin on Jul 31, 2014 8:15:20 GMT -5
Rules AND Storage Lot Agreement provide that it is the Owners' responsibility to store units that are movable at all times. This rule has been waived; the Mange has not enforced it despite multiple complaints on this forum and to Polk County Code Enforcement. Attachment Deleted Attachment Deleted Attachment DeletedThere are at least a dozen trailers and other structures that have been in the Storage lot for YEARS that are unregistered and incapable of being moved. Despite MANGE's statements a couple years ago that this was being cleaned up, NOTHING has been done. Now that IT has restated the rules of the road in a Storage Agreement, we sH all see... Code Enforcement Al Handley, Director • 863-534-5699 • Email Autumn Fenton, Code Enforcement Manager • 863-534-6003 • Email General Office: 863-534-6054 • Fax: 863-534-6073 330 West Church Street • Bartow, FL 33830 • Map Mail: PO Box 9005 - Drawer CS03 • Bartow, FL 33831-9005 Hours of Operation: M-F 8AM - 5PM Polk County Code Enforcement is housed within the Building and Code Enforcement Division in the Office of Planning and Development and is charged with enforcement of the Land Development Code and other land use-related ordinances and codes. Code Enforcement provides for the handling of complaints concerning abandoned or distressed vehicles, substandard housing, junk, overgrown lots, commercial vehicles on residential property, etc. Code Enforcement is also responsible for enforcing the sign code. Cases which are not resolved are scheduled to appear before a Special Magistrate. Appeals of the Special Magistrate's decisions go before the Appellate Special Magistrate. |
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Post by observer on Jul 31, 2014 9:48:55 GMT -5
"S-bag is the owner of said lot and the shed"...
When I purchased my shed for the storage area at an expense to me I did not know that SLohA had the right to own my shed. That is ridiculous. I'll sell my shed before allowing the Manbod to take the ownership of it. It's aggravating the way they think they have the right to do these things. It reminds me of the donated puzzles and how Ml said they were S-bag property. Does she not understand the word, "donated"? |
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Post by Pool Player on Jul 31, 2014 10:22:41 GMT -5
what I was told by quite possibly the best Manager we've ever had Kn Sooner (RIP) that any item donated or placed in a community area such as Pool Tables for example, become the property of the owners of SLR. Not owned by the manager, the bod or any club or committee but EVERY OWNER in SLR.
Of course there are down sides to this, but, placing and/or abandoning anything on community property becomes the responsibility of the ''association" , weather it be towed , demolished or scrapped. We all are accountable through our reserves for these things. |
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Post by Admin on Jul 31, 2014 11:06:56 GMT -5
I paused when I read that, too, and finally interpreted it to mean that, if you rented a lot WITH a Storage Shed already on it, that was the property of SLohA and the renter could remove their personal contents at the conclusion of the Storage term.
But then, logically, wouldn't the rent be different on a lot with a shed versus a vacant shed lot? Like renting an RV on a lot versus renting a vacant lot? Confused.
For sure, it is fuzzy language and, always looking for IT to screw owners, thought "Could IT be trying to claim that owners' sheds were SLohA property?" But, the possibility was dismissed because it is too ridiculous to imagine!
It occurred to me, once again, that the newly-legislated practice permissions for CAM's in Florida to have broader "quasi-legal" involvement in Association documents was going to be a problem for HOA's. This Storage Agreement--while welcome and long overdue--was obviously created by a CAM who did not have the sense to have it reviewed by a contract attorney. Anyone wanting to rent a shed lot should clarify this, in writing.
The muddy wording in the Storage Agreement typifies the objections by many Association practitioners against expanding the practice area of CAM's into contractual matters, (other than approved templates for routine filings).
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Post by Admin on Jul 31, 2014 22:21:49 GMT -5
I still want to know the definition of "TEMPORARY" for the use of water and electricity at the secured storage area where people who have boats, RV and sheds placed. I bet "Temporary" means whatever IT wants it to mean for her own self-serving purposes. The owners had no knowledge nor any input into the installation of water and Elctc in the Storage Area. It was "just there" one day with no notice or discussion with the Members who paid for it. Thousands of dollars. Like the unnecessary pool fencing replacement in 2011 right after the snowbirds left--NO discussion with the Members who were paying and who never once complained about the existing fence. More SLR business conducted by secret emails behind closed doors. (I wonder did this project have anything to do with bringing Elctc to the Storage Garage and/or to the KCN tower adjacent to Storage Lot?) MANGE wanted it there--or maybe a BOD director wanted it there--or a privileged employee or resident wanted it--maybe KCN wanted it. Who knows? Mamager might say it was to "pretty up" the sheds and trailers by providing water and Elctc for pressure washing and that might even make some sense-but-that was never discussed with the owners to see what THEY wanted. Owners want the Storage Lot cleared of unregistered, untagged, non-op junkers that are not even paying storage fees! Get rid of these aged, barely intact structures and hazardous material that will explode in a strong storm and end up in S-bag Lake, causing an environmental mess that will result in sanctions, fines and penalties! Tons of flying garbage debris that will damage adjacent paying owners' equipment that IT will probably deny as SLohA responsbility (Is THAT SLohA negligence--you bet!). Not to mention kill our wildlife and pollute the lake for years. That Storage Lot is a shameful and embarrassing pigsty with serious and long-standing county code violations; a little less algae is not going to make an appreciable improvement and I don't buy the Mange's "pretty up" lies nor are her meaningless "temporary use" signs to be taken seriously. |
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Aug 1, 2014 18:44:22 GMT -5
With regard to the storage agreement, the word "temporary" means whatever the manager wants it to, depending upon who is occupying it.
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Post by courious on Aug 1, 2014 20:01:54 GMT -5
At LAST! SLohA finally has a Storage Lot Agreement between Owners and SLohA.
Here is the Agreement: Note that rentals are either monthly or yearly; there is no discount for annual versus monthly. • S-bag LAKE OWNERS ASSOCIATION, INC. (for the purposes of all related business transactions aka SLohA) STORAGE LOT RENTAL AGREEMENT Shed $64.20/yr _______ 30' Lot $102.72/yr _______
5.35/mo _______ 8.56/mo _______
20'Lot $77.04/yr ______ 35' Lot $115.56/yr _______
6.42/mo _____ 9.63/mo _______
Rental Fees: (all fees include 7% Florida sales tax) Fees are collected upon rental of storage tot(s) and prorated, when necessary, on the due date. Lot fees on monthly rentals will be collected on the first of every month. Lot fees on yearly rentals will be collected on April 1. No refunds if lot is vacated prior to the end of month or end of year period. Lot fees are to be paid at the SLohA office. Payment methods: personal check or money order. We do not accept cash or credit cards. I _______________ on this day of _________.20 ___, retain the use of SLohA storage lot(s) # _______ , and understand that my fees include the use of the lot only (including a shed which may already be in place if it is a shed lot). SLohA is the owner of said lot and any existing shed. Thereby, if the storage fee(s) are not paid forward in a timely manner, I will relinquish use of said lot(s), and will remove all of my personal property and vacate the lot(s) within 30 days after the due date of the payment owed. If my property is not removed within the allotted time SLohA will remove and store it at my expense. I also understand that SLohA Is not responsible for lost, stolen, or damaged private property while stored/parked on SLohA storage lot, or on any other common property area belonging to SLohA, and that my rented lot(s) is/are to be kept clean and free of any loose items or unsightly debris pursuant to the Governing Documents of SLohA under Section 4-6F. Any shed or vehicle (including trailers) must also be kept clean, SLohA having provided the use of water and power in the storage area for your convenience and compliance with stated Rules and Regulations. Vehicles also need to have current tags/registration, be in working condition, and tires need to be roadworthy. Lawn care for the storage lot is provided by SLohA as it is considered common property. Additionally, I understand that l am allowed up to a 10 X 10 ft storage shed on my rented lot(s), not to exceed 10 ft in height, and that a signed (by the Board or its agent) permission slip from SLohA is necessary to place a shed on said rented lot(s), pursuant to the Governing Documents of SLohA Section 9-4A, and that I must adhere to all Polk County codes and regulations concerning building permits and wind codes (sheds, boats, and trailers must be tied down) pursuant to the SLohA Governing Documents Section 4-41. DATE: , 20 SIGNED: PRINT: STUMP LOT/LOTS RELINQUISHED ON: DATE: , 20 SIGNED: PRINT: (The contract refers to Section 9-4A in the last paragraph--there is NO such section in any SLohA governing document! The provision relating to storage is RULE 5-9A. So much for attention to detail by the "manager"...)CARE OF EXTERIOR 4-6F) If the exterior of a residence, storage shed, or vehicle located on a residential lot or a storage lot becomes unsightly, owners will be given a written notice to correct the condition within 14 days. After that time, the manager will arrange for said correction at the expense of the owners. (Owners should be aware that there is NO provision in the Covenants giving authority to the Association to charge individual owners for perceived defects on personal property. Additionally, the rule is very poorly-written with no objective measure to assess what is "unsightly"--even if the authority to levy owner for work order charges was in the Covenants. This is the same problem as with garbage stumps--absence of authority to charge for unpermitted "corrective" work.)STORAGE AREA 5-9A) When a storage shed is placed in the storage area, it must not be larger than ten (10) feet by ten (10) feet and not to exceed ten (10) feet in height. It must have a treated wooden or metal floor and be adequately anchored down. It must be placed in such a way that the door, when opened, does not extend beyond the limit of the lot. Only one shed is permitted on a storage lot. 5-9B) Boats and trailers in storage must be towable at all times. Motor vehicles must be in driving condition at all times. (Another poorly-written rule. What is "adequately anchored down"? What is the specific requirements that determine if a shed is "adequately anchored down?".)Not true. SLohA does not get a pass for negligence:RESPONSIBILITY FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY 3-5) The Association sH all not be responsible for loss or damage to personal property left in the common area except as result of negligence by the Association or its employees. Residents alone sH all be responsible for locking and securing all personal property on their lot. Specific requests for assistance sH all be considered. Why has 14 days been etched in stone? And why does it feel like a noose around your neck with every part of living/vacationing at S-bag? WHEN IN RESIDENCE IT MIGHT BE VALID, BUT NOT WHEN YOU ARE OUT OF TOWN. Who decided that we needed a "lynch" mob/violation committee anyway? |
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Post by JG on Aug 2, 2014 5:45:14 GMT -5
On my Storage Lot Agreement the office had pre selected the yearly fee for me. I thought this was unusual since the lot I rent is just to park a vehicle on for 6 months.
The lot does not have a shed on it, this made no sense to me and I changed the marked line to what I wanted since it is offered either yearly or monthly.
This is another example of management trying to decide what individuals want by doing the thinking for them. That just doesn't fly with me. I would much rather pay them on a monthly basis and pick the plan I want, these people don't know when to not act like they own the place, they work for us and can assist if some doesn't know what to do but should never assume that they make decisions based on what they think we need or want.
I was also wondering why there was no mention on the contract about the temporary use of the Elctc and water provided by SLohA and that if the manager felt any lot rental was over using it they could just arbitrarily sever the cord and or disconnect the power from the outlet and also remove the cord and not say anything like what was done to me in the past.
This is what has been done in the past, and before any signs went up in the Storage Lot. All things like that point directly to the manager and that shows a real problem and the repeat of her vindictive-selective nasty attitude to some residents. This manager is no good for our community and needs to find someplace else to act out, after all, this is America and she can go anywhere else in the country just like I was told in a letter from her on SLohA letterhead. Obviously I am still here and in her face so the managers nasty and vindictive attitude doesn't work according to her expectation. |
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Post by BagLady on Aug 2, 2014 12:01:27 GMT -5
Making decisions for owners is consistent with IT's statement that her job was to "take care of 750 infants". At least, her actions are consistent with the 'tude.
And here's a bonus by paying monthly, you get to visit the office at least once a month to re-bond your acquaintence with MisManagement and she has an opportunity to brighten her day, as your presence on this forum brightens ours!
(Maybe I ought to rent a shed lot so I can pay Mamager a monthly visit! Might be worth $5.35 monthly for a chance to preserve our strained relationship.)
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Post by Shed I rent? on Aug 2, 2014 12:23:13 GMT -5
From the SLohA Storage Lot Agreement:
Should you choose to rent an SLohA lot/shed combo, make sure the SLohA has "adequately" anchored the shed before you rent AND that SLohA has adequately cleaned the exterior of unsightly mold, mildew and miscellaneous yuk. Even though there is no specific description of the exterior condition required--in the words of IT-- "You know what we mean!".
Also, remember there is no objective definition or specification of "adequately anchored" so, anything will do--plastic cord ties, bungee cords, rope-over-the-roof, tent stakes etc--just so there is something there.
SLohA is responsible for the shed's exterior cosmetic condition and physical security since it owns it and that means that they must comply with the rules, as they interpret them.
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