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Post by gusto on Aug 13, 2014 12:54:36 GMT -5
"Breaking News From Behind The Scenes":
Ask Questions !!! We would like some Straight Answers for Once.....
A Question to Ask the BOD , why are we footing the bill for a Engineer to study KCNet business Towers located in SLR. Which by the way nobody ever applied for a Polk County Permit, to erect 6 Communication Commercial Towers in SLR. Also who is paying for the Citation for not getting a permit from Polk Co. Planning & Development. What is the amount of the Fine, for not having a Polk Co. Permit. Maybe we will get the answers to these questions at the Planning & Development Meeting to be held on Thursday August 21st.in Bartow. A meeting to make a decision if these Towers are a Safety issue or not. See Ya in Bartow.
PS. How many residents know about this Tower issues and KCNet's residential land use for a Commercial Business. Just ask Our BODs today, or any day just send letters or e-mails. What the heck is happening behind closed doors, and do they have minutes of their private meeting in the back-room.
NOTE:
Meeting Info from Martinez, Ana Aug. 13, 2014 8:17 AM (22 minutes ago)
This is a public hearing so anyone can attend and give comments when the hearing is open for each case. Because sometimes cases are continued or canceled, please have them call (863) 534-6054 to ensure that the cases will be on the agenda. The case numbers are CE14-3504 (against the association) and CE14-4116 (against the stabs). Let me know if you have any other question or comment.
Attentively, Ana Martinez-H, AICP Office of Planning & Development Long Range Planning Division Drawer TS05 Post Office Box 9005 Bartow, Florida 33831-9005 Ph # (863) 534-6486 Fax # (863) 534-6471
Please Pass this Information Forward to Your SLR Neighbors !!!
Thank You....
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Post by Dick Tracy on Feb 4, 2016 20:30:29 GMT -5
Feb. 4th, 2016 Note! These are recent e-mail exchanged between me and Hank Smith at Polk County Code Enforcement.
These issues of a engineers study, permits and citations goes back to "Pre August of 2014".
Something is seriously wrong with this on going procedure, it appears SLohA and KCNetwork are stalling for some reason.
In the mean time we have Towers on SLohA Common,& Private Property that are E-Legal, plus it is questionable if these Towers have the "Proper Insurance Coverage". That is yet to be determine. Plus a Hearing was scheduled for January 2016, I do not think this Hearing took placed in Jan. 2016..
Let us not forget about The Lease Agreement between SLohA and KCNetwork, a Board Mtg. Agenda Item, never up for Discussion, or Voted on by the board... "This has a terrible stink to it"! Why!
To Be Continued..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Feb.4th, 2016
Mr. Ath,
I received a call from Chap at S-bag earlier this week. He said revised plans have been submitted to the Building Department for the S-bag towers and plans for Mr. stab's tower are ready at the engineer's office.
I will continue to monitor until permits are issued or other action is warranted.
Regards,
Hank Smith ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: James Ath <jauth1@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 1:18 AM To: Smith, Hank Cc: Sheffield, Sherry Subject: Re: S-bag Lake Towers. Feb.4, 2016
Hi Hank,
I am curious about the latest information about SLohA's Tower permits, engineer study and the citations issued to SLohA /KCNetwork.
Was a Hearing ever held in January 2016 as planed, or has that Hearing been postponed ? Any or all present information on this ongoing issue, from you or Sherry Sheffield will be greatly appreciated .
As Always Thanks For Your Help,
Jm Ath jauth1@aol.com 301-751-1214 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-----Original Message----- From: Smith, Hank <HankSmith@polk-county.net> To: James Ath <jauth1@aol.com> Cc: Sheffield, Sherry <SherrySheffield@polk-county.net> Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2015 4:05 pm Subject: S-bag Lake Towers.
Mr. Ath, I apologize for not responding to your 12/08 e-mail. I thought I responded, but can find no record of doing so. I was not aware that KCNetwork is in Ms. stab's name, but each time I have called or visited she has directed me to Mr. stab, so at minimum he had her permission to speak for the Entity. I understand from Mr. stab, and from Chap at S-bag that plans have been submitted to the building department and are under review. I have asked each to contact me when the permits are issued, and plan to work with each of them until that time. I appreciate your diligence in following this matter; hopefully it will be resolved soon. Regards, HANK SMITH Certified Codes Investigator
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Post by jimherbst on Feb 5, 2016 0:51:19 GMT -5
In all my 32+ years in local government, I have never witnessed such a strange turn of events. How is it that the Polk County Building Inspector office is dragging its feet on taking legal action? Kudos to Jm Ath for making this a matter of public record by his emails. Although I am not an attorney, my experience tells me that both Polk County and Hank Smith could face civil and criminal penalties if something were to happen to those towers that results in personal injury or property damage. We may wish to consider seeking a Writ of Mandamus from the courts.
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Post by Dick Tracy on Feb 5, 2016 2:39:20 GMT -5
How is it, that the former President of the Board of Directors (Norly D Brnd) and the husband (Bb Stailb) of the owner of KCNetwork ISP, Virginia Stailb(owner), some how manipulated Polk County into Modifying The Land Use on SLohA's Common Property, to allow these E-Legal Towers on SLohA's Common Property without any input from the resident/owners in SLR. These Towers at that point in time had not been approved, nor did they have any Polk County Permits, but none of these facts mattered. WHY I Ask !
The Application filed for Land Use Modification by Norly D Brnd and Robber B. Stailb, had several flaws, but for some unknown reason those issues on the application were over looked by Polk County. Plus unknown to many residents, hidden in the application were 2 lots to be ruled on for Commercial Use. Which also was Approved by Polk County.
This all happened behind Closed Doors with, "The Utmost Secrecy"...
"Now, This Action Really Makes One Wonder" !
On Top Of That, Our Leaders Have The Nerve, To Ask The Residents To Trust Them!
They Then State: "We Are Doing What Is In The Best Interest For The Community" !
16RC
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Post by BagLady on Feb 5, 2016 8:17:45 GMT -5
PolkCounty posted:
I wonder who paid for the SECOND set of engineering plans! Does this mean that the original set that SLohA paid THOUSANDS of dollars for were of no use and had to be redone? Members need to watch the Dec and Jan expenses closely and question the BOD appropriately..for the record.
I echo the Kudos to Mr. Ath for actively pursuing these developments which are occuring IN SECRET out of the view of Owners among Polk County, a couple self-serving Owners and SLohA vendor-employees. THIS issue should have NO POLITICS because Every Single Owner will have to cough up their portion of the legal fees and multi-million dollar judgement against SLohA if severe damage occurs involving these structures under our now modified Land Use.
Note what is missing from the conversation--the VOICE of OWNERS though their representatives, the BOD!! Perhaps they are ducking out of sight if the you know what hits the fan? (I think the BOD should be careful what it wishes for because IF the Covenants are revitalized, it will revive the contractual basis for a breach of contract lawsuit to be brought against SLohA and other owners.)
In the absence of the towers (and bucket truck of unknown ownership) being described as part of SLohA premises on the controlling policies, the actual identified-as-written Proof of insurance provisions--not Toneesha's mere say so--is necessary to assure that at the very least, SLohA is covered in case death, injury or severe damage occurs on the property as a result of these unpermitted and unauthorized towers and equipment. Mr. Ath has doggedly been pursuing this information for months and has been repeatedly dismissed without being given a knowledgeable and focused reply. It is thought by some that the insurer has NO IDEA that these towers are even built on SLohA grounds and/or attached to SLohA-insured buildings--much less UNPERMITTED and potentially unsafe!
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Post by tinman on Feb 5, 2016 11:16:26 GMT -5
THIS WHOLE FIASCO HAS AN ODER FROM THE BEGINNING! I question WHY everything I have heard or Read identifies Robber Stab as the owner of the Towers But Kay c-nat is supposedly Owned by Vergin Stab! Why has Vergin Stab Never been Questioned about HER ownership of the company and HOW IT OPERATES? To My knowledge SHE Has NEVER been ask ANYTHING Regaurding her ALLEDGED Ownership of Kay c-NAT!
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Post by BagLady on Feb 5, 2016 13:24:21 GMT -5
THIS WHOLE FIASCO HAS AN ODOR FROM THE BEGINNING! I question WHY everything I have heard or Read identifies Robber Stab as the owner of the Towers But Kay c-nat is supposedly Owned by Vergin Stab! Why has Vergin Stab Never been Questioned about HER ownership of the company and HOW IT OPERATES? To My knowledge SHE Has NEVER been ask ANYTHING Regaurding her ALLEDGED Ownership of Kay c-NAT! Perhaps Robber STab has taken a page out of SLohA Playbook to always put someone in FRONT of you to take the heat! Robber Stab has extra reasons to do this because he is a convicted felon having served 3 years in prison for bank fraud and still owes MILLIONS in unpaid restitution. Polk County colluded all the way with Robber Stab by not even inquiring about his relationship to the joint applicant, KcNetwork and NorleyDee Brnd. Or to SLohA for that matter. Things that any of us would have done routinely--before even accepting the application's validity--was ignored even when specifically pointed out in the Polk public hearings! The SLohA Board has a long history of letting "Stab" do all the talking about these towers and the internet problem; the BOD even invited him to their Mediation back in 2013 and he was not a named party to the anticipated lawsuit! The BOD has placed Robber Stab and Chap in front of the continuing tower violations issue and may be spending more owner money pursuing engineering plans on the towers that Stab illegally built on SLohA common property. Chap is now the go-between the Vendor Stmbug Ixx and the Board and continues to harass owners with FRAUDULENT statements that Owners need "permission slips"! At this particular time, an FS720 complaint cannot be initiated against his activity as a CAM licensee, but that may change IF revitalization is approved. This kind of harassment and specific owners involved is being noted; the most recent of which involved windows on a porch which the county permits. The BOD remains silent and hopes it is unaccountable. The Board placed the Rulebook Committee between it and the UNAUTHORIZED alterations and fraudulent recordation of the rulebook in 2014. When specific allegations of alterations were identified, the Rulebook Committee answered with Uh and Oh's...on plain paper... with NO copies evidenced to the Board. A copy of that Committee's reply was sent--certified--to the board to put it into the Official Record of SLohA. BOD now inserts Toneesha, the vendor's employee, in front of the tower insurance inquiry so it will not have to "know" and thus be accountable (really??). It also attempted to place Toneesha and the Organizing Committee in front of the question about the "2nd legal opinion" that was affirmed at the Dec 2015 meeting and for which there is still no reply to repeated requests. Requests for records are routinely handed over to somebody...anybody...so the answer never came from the Board! So, there is nothing new in the BOD's failure as a responsive and accountable representative of Members; this is an institution in SLohA made easier now by hiring a management company and having the Stab's around willing to play ball. I don't know who they are placing in front of the repeated requests for the Nov 25, 2015 "privileged" board meeting with "attorney". (Maybe it will be the fault of the new website administrator who is learning the ropes and is soooo busy.) So far, informal requests for this information have been ignored and a Certified Official Records Request has been made. I suppose BOD will whine at the next board meeting that all these records requests by a few owners are sooooo demanding!
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Post by Dick Tracy on Feb 5, 2016 23:34:28 GMT -5
Feb. 5th. 2016 The Latest E-Mail From: Hank Smith (Polk County Code Enforcement) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: Smith, Hank <HankSmith@polk-county.net> To: James Ath <jauth1@aol.com> Cc: Sheffield, Sherry <SherrySheffield@polk-county.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2016 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: S-bag Lake towers.
Mr. Ath, When cases require approvals, plans or other activities by respondents to bring properties into compliance, those cases may be continued at Hearing, as this one was. In this case, the Respondents were given additional time to complete whatever requirements/conditions necessary. You will recall there was a requirement for a variance which took time for review and Planning Board approval. Once approved, opponents appealed, so that took additional time to resolve. The Respondents had been working on plans but suspended that work until the appeal decision was rendered. Respondents have been working to get plans approved and have kept me informed along the way. Towers are not typical/ordinary plans; they require a specialized engineer and finding a willing, capable engineer was time consuming. Even with the proper engineer, the original plans submitted some time ago required some revisions. Revised plans have been submitted and I am waiting for permits to be issued. It is true this case has taken a long time, but when variances must be applied for and approved, then approval decisions are appealed, and specialized plans required, the time elapsed is not time wasted away. I believe I stated previously my willingness to work with the respondents as long as compliance was actively pursued and I was kept informed. Those things have occurred and I will continue to monitor the case on the same premise. Should permits be issued without further case action on my part, there will be no fines assessed. Regards, Hank Smith
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Feb.5th.2016
I would say this e-mail says it all......
A Done Deal By Higher Ups In The Food Chain, Maybe !
16RC
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2016 9:28:22 GMT -5
I think it is time for another records inspection at Bartow.
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Post by Dick Tracy on Feb 6, 2016 13:31:59 GMT -5
I Totally Agree....
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Post by tomatoes5 on Feb 8, 2016 16:06:01 GMT -5
UNITED STATES HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (HUD) FLORIDA COMMISSION ON HUMAN RELATIONS S-bag LAKE OWNERS ASSOCIATION
Hmm.
Gee, is it he fear tactics employed by the Board and the Revitalization committee i.e., "School buses, beer parties, property value, and much more". Or does the violation of civil and hum rights go much deeper?
Maybe SLohA should bypass the management company's attorneys and start getting their own attorneys. Maybe some one schooled in HOA law and Civil Rights law. Just maybe.
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Post by Dick Tracy on Feb 9, 2016 22:29:58 GMT -5
Respondents have been working to get plans approved and have kept me informed along the way. Towers are not typical/ordinary plans; they require a specialized engineer and finding a willing, capable engineer was time consuming. Even with the proper engineer, the original plans submitted some time ago required some revisions. Revised plans have been submitted and I am waiting for permits to be issued. There are a couple things about this statement and others made, that trouble me. 1. (Towers are not typical/ordinary plans; they require a specialized engineer and finding a willing, capable engineer was time consuming.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I would imagine it would be a big problem finding a specialized engineer and be willing to approve or revise the original plans. What Engineer would approve these Towers, when the foundation for said Towers are Under-Ground. What would be the procedure used to approve the foundation? I would think that any specialized engineer approving these e-legal Towers is taking a big Liability Risk. Does anyone have any knowledge about whether SLohA's Insurance Provider has the current status on these Towers. I do not believe a Insurance Co. would take on the Risk, of Insuring Towers in SLR that do not have a Polk County Permit and never did have a Polk County Permit. IMO, I do not think these Towers in SLR Have Any Insurance Coverage. My Records Request to SLohA on this subject, and any Feed-Back to my Request are Fuzzy at Best.
Now, a few may say these Bb & Virginia stab's KCNet Towers do not need Permits. Mr. stab even stated on the Current Issue Chug Form on: Jan.26,2015 Bb Sta ib's (quote) "Anybody who thinks that we invested what we have spent on this system while, at the same time, trying to save a few hundred dollars on the cost of a handful of construction permits is dead wrong. It makes no sense". (end quote)
Uh, Guess Who Makes No Sense ! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(quote) " I believe I stated previously my willingness to work with the respondents as long as compliance was actively pursued and I was kept informed. Those things have occurred and I will continue to monitor the case on the same premise. Should permits be issued without further case action on my part, there will be no fines assessed. Regards, Hank Smith (end quote) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So someone with stones, can build a e-legal structure in Polk County, and after the fact, a neighbor turns that person into Polk County Code Enforcement, the Code Officer come out to the site of the violation, ask the violator for plans and permits, the violator does not have the necessary paper work. So what happens next? Does the Code Officer give the violator 2 weeks to get his stuff in order? When the 2 weeks are up, does the Code Officer give him the Citations, or does he give the Violator more time to comply? Does the Code Officer or Polk County Planning get involved, to help show the Violator how to get the correct Applications, and work with the Violator on how to fill out and summit the Application? The structure still does not have the necessary paper work, plus now the violator, with Polk County's help needs to modify the land use, to be in compliance, and Polk County is assisting the Violator during this process.
Now after many months, the Code Officer states; Should Permits Be Issued without further case action on my part, There Will Be No Fines Assessed.... Will somebody please try to explain to me how come "The Bad Guy May Get a Free Pass"? Thank You For Any Answers..... 16RC
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Post by Admin on Feb 10, 2016 9:20:29 GMT -5
dick Tracy wrote:
No one KNOWS for an absolute certainty if SLohA is insured for the unpermitted tower structures.
However, you have asked for this information at least 3 times and have received a "fuzzy" response that is not consistent with the terms of the insurance policies. The policies DO NOT identify the tower structures as part of the Insured Premises. (The policy does, however, specifically name all the individual sheds where recreational equipment is stored.) The policy specifically EXCLUDES outdoor equipment such as antennas/dishes etc unless a special rider is purchased (which it was not). Toneesha insists that the "umbrella policy"-- which is simply excess loss coverage over the underlying policies' limits-- covers this equipment, but the underlying policy clearly says NO COVERAGE. When asked to point out specifically where in the "umbrella policy" these towers are covered independently from the underlying general liability policy, Toneesha does not answer.
Three owners read the policies--ALL of them--and have not identified the existence of coverage of either the equipment or the premises liability. Yet, we are being assessed Reserve $$ to repair and replace KCNet's equipment without any indemnification from KCNET or our own insurance carriers. And Owners will likely ratify the budget Allocation to Reserves a 2nd time; thereby assuring the "adoption" of these illegal structures as part of "our" property for another year! If a tower topples and injures/kills somebody at their storage shed, or walking in the bathhouse common area, or playing tennis or riding their golf cart to the Oaks area, the resulting multi-million dollar claim would bankrupt SLohA.
Board: if these towers WERE covered, why not just cite the provision in the policy and be done with it?
While this situation does not PROVE the non-existence of liability coverage, it strongly supports the fear that there is no credible evidence that SLohA is insured. Efforts to get the true facts of this coverage have failed without explanation--- and that tells me SLohA is not covered.
Insofar as the unpermitted towers themselves, it is my understanding that new inquiries are being made with the state regarding Polk County's handling of this matter. The citations were issued in Aug 2014 and the County is still sitting on this 1 1/2 years later. WE owners get to hold our breath and hope nothing bad happens as a result of stab's unpermitted and possibly unsafe towers occupying our property--something bad that we will not be insured for while the county bleats out excuses saying how "complicated" engineering drawings are (Yes--AFTER THE FACT!) and how long the land mod took-which was a record bumrush of about 3 months (Notice May 2015, first hearing June 3 2015 and final Appeal Aug 5 2015). BTW, is SLohA paying for a SECOND set of post-construction engineering "plans" on these towers? Legal fees? Post-Construction costs of fixing? The answer is probably "Yes" but it might require a records inspection to identify expenditures on the "invisible" SunTrust credit card.
Polk County flat out colluded with Brnd/stab in capturing SLohA common property from 787 owners. Remove the land mod scam from the mix and you still have at least a year that these citations have been active AGAINST SLohA without decisive and appropriate action taken by Code Enforcement who appear to have been marginalized by Land Development. And, the County PLANS to waive fees and penalties! Why is SLohA not being fined for these violations? Would an ordinary citizen receive this kind of treatment?
Remember, stab cleared HIS citation with his and Brnd's successful bid for the land modification to S-bag's Land Use Plan! The way is now cleared for owners' towers for other internet service providers to come in and serve S-bag and now, owners can have their own businesses whose physical presence "proliferates outside their homes". The county definition of a "home based occupation" has been opened up to permit the kind of outside equipment and contractor activity we see on Grayhackle and StoneFly. Non-resident Owners can have a group home, assisted living facility or halfway house, lease out to a real estate broker for a real estate business, or set up a Sm all branch for Art for a golf cart/lawnmower repair business. Just apply for a license with the county--the land use is already cleared and it is obvious that SLohA has no intention of enforcing the Covenants--dead or alive--against commercial activity.
I too wish we had a definitive answer but I think we DO have the answer... it's just not the one we want.
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