Post by Admin on Oct 17, 2013 20:00:09 GMT -5
Cross-post from AnonNews
September 22, 2013
Our community leaders were elected to serve our community, and also do what's legally right, but when they brought a manager and/or management company in here to serve us, we're possibly headed now towards a 4th lawsuit brought against SLohA because of MANBOD'S egregious errors in judgment.
Because these lawsuits may not be known to some or some may have forgotten, let me refresh this forums' readers' memories:
1) Lawsuit by a Latino employee under a previous manager, for racial discrimination.
2) Lawsuit by Lxxxxx Pxxxxx under current manager of SLR, for termination of his 28-year employment in SLR.
3) Lawsuit by Gxxxxx Sxxxxxxxx under current manager for the dog-mauling incident due to negligence of the board and/or manager and an employee of SLR.
4) POSSIBLY a 4TH lawsuit involving the MRTA issue and a resident or residents in SLR.
How is it that we keep getting involved in some type of litigation that appears to be initiated by either the board or manager or both and the real reason is that they are unqualified to hold these types of jobs and/or positions and keep putting our finances at risk by continuously making egregious errors in judgment because of their lack of experience, intelligence, and competence. SLR is a business, and a business cannot continue to run if it constantly wastes money, gets involved in lawsuits and fails to properly plan.
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September 22, 2013
I believe you answered your own question "egregious errors in judgment because of lack of experience, intelligence and competence."
Consider the "18/18 problem"--in order to legally work as a CAM (Community Association Manager), one needs only to be 18 years old and take 18 hours of coursework to pick up some working jargon such as "execute reserves". If you're not a known criminal, you pay a $228 fee, take a test and BAM! You can be in charge of a million dollar budget and make a lot of decisions/recommendations that will affect the financial wellbeing of hundreds of people.
IT's CAM license was issued on 6/28/11. I recall she started working in SLR in the summer of 2010. There is no provision in the statute for working as an "intern" or "trainee" under another licensee. Here are the applicable statutes:
468.432(1) A person sH all not manage or hold herself or himself out to the public as being able to manage a community association in this state unless she or he is licensed by the department in accordance with the provisions of this part.
468.432(2)(g) Any community association management firm or other similar organization agrees by being licensed that it will employ only licensed persons in the direct provision of community association management services as described in s. 468.431(3).
A licensed FIRM provider is even worse than 18/18--more like read, write and pay! The FIRM license only requires a $105 fee and an application; NO education is required. In order to offer property management services, the FIRM must do so through a CAM licensee.
So, it is possible that the highest level of working knowledge of and experience with property management is held by an 18 year old who managed to scrape together $228, slept through 18 hours of introductory instruction and was prepped by the course provider to pass the test. (I happen to know how this works because I acquired both a real estate license and a CAM license from Florida.)
It is all about the money. In many cases, professional property management is not the point of being in this business.
PS to the Manager who has been appending the Manager Reports with LCAM--there is NO LCAM---only CAM. CAM is the name of your license.
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September 23, 2013
My question to everyone is this :
Would you Hire an Unqualified person with no previous experience to personally manage your Property, Bank Accounts and Future decisions that require planning and coordination then let them learn by error @ your expense, allow them to lie and make statements that are false without question or accountability ?
In 99.999 cases the answer would be NO .
But for some reason SLR BOD blindly accepted this manager without a care of what experience she was bringing to the table.
I would have to place 100% of the blame on a Management Company for sending someone/anyone that is NOT QUALIFIED to handle the job of Manager .
This should have been looked at closer in the beginning , but I guess a spray tan and a tight skirt is qualification enough for a few men to decide this person is the best candidate and has a proven track record in managing a multi million dollar resort . A resort that 'Has more Reserves than any other Resort in the State of Florida '' as said by Mxxxx Hxxxxxx .
Start thinking and speaking up people, do we want to renew this Management Company Contract ?
The time is now to start looking for a new one .
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September 24, 2013
why do you think wanted to get this management contract so badly--because of the big $$$ in here; and knowing they didn't have a qualified candidate to send, instead, sent miss spray tan w/short skirt because sex sells--and these old men in here bought it...
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How much of the big $$$ is still in the Pot. Are our reserves, increasing or decreasing. A few years back we were adding to our reserve fund at a great pace. We had a very frugal BOD's, that looked at many ways to save money. The yearly HOA fees had to be increased some, because of years of no increases, and we did not have much of a reserve fund. Thirty plus years, and peanuts for reserves, so sad. It was amazing what that BODs accomplish to get SLR, back on track. I Thank You All!!!
That all changed when new members of the BOD fired one Management Co.(buy back their contract). So that the New BOD could hire current to manage our affairs.
Boy, what a bad choice... I hope people will start to seek the truth.
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September 24, 2013
that's a very good question, Anonymous person above, and since "our reconciled financials" are up at the office for residents to look at, I wonder if the reserves amount is also available. I would think that it would be and if not, perhaps you could inquire and find that info, if you get it, could you report back on this forum and let us all know what that amount is. I'm sure more people than just you and me would like to know that figure as well.
It's just me thinking aloud, but, I believe the reason for those back to back annual HOA fee increases of $100, then $200 in SLR were attributed to the fact that the BOD knew back then, (in 2007) that the CC & R's were expired, so they figured that when people found out they wouldn't have to pay any fees, the BOD expected our accounts to dry up, but not as quickly if there was extra money in a reserve account...
Does anyone else think the same way here?
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I do not think that the BOD back in 2007 had any idea that the CC & R's were expired. Just maybe, one BOD member may have known something about MRTA. But it would be almost impossible to keep something like expired CC & R under wraps. Someone on the BODs would leak it to a friend. Being some what on the inside, it was never mention. That BOD was not perfect, they made their share of mistakes. A couple of BOD members were not liked, but they were all about business, and trying to get the community back on the legal track. Some Fl. State Statues, had been violated for years, and changes are not always accepted. Just my 2 cents.
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September 25, 2013
I believe that one BOD did know, and did in fact convey to the other BOD's what he found out when he went to Bartow. They knew that if that info got out, it would create chaos in the community, so in effort to avoid that from happening, made a deal w/that one BOD to leave the community and not disclose what he found out w/anyone.
I believe money made him "forget" what he found out, since his house went up for sale and was sold before the week was out. It was made easy for him to leave SLR w/out getting involved any further.
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Is that a Glen Beck Conspiracy Theory? SLR was not that Member's type of social life. The plan was to always relocate to enjoy the finer things in life, Lake Wales did not provide those things. That I do know. The plan was to stay on the Board for one more year, to finish what had been started.
But, others wanted a New Management Company, right now. Which cost us maybe $100,000, plus or minus. We now had to pay current and buy back the contract with our Financial Co. That was a Dumb mistake, because that BOD member had wanted to finish, what was started. But O-No, the majority coalition of BOD, had different ideas. That decision cost us more than just $$$. We now have Weasels for BODs. They now have been Duped, and can not see it.
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September 26, 2013
Unless there is credible evidence to the contrary, I cannot believe that anyone in SLR knew about expired covenants in 2007. I do believe that anyone who was familiar with FS720 could or should have been aware of the law that caused covenants to expire and been able to connect the dots.
Part III of FS720 is devoted entirely to revitalizing covenants. Indeed, when I was posting the statute on Mik's forum, I read that part and wondered if SLR's covenants were expired. At the time, I naively assured myself that the Board would NEVER allow that to happen and dismissed my concerns.
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September 22, 2013
Our community leaders were elected to serve our community, and also do what's legally right, but when they brought a manager and/or management company in here to serve us, we're possibly headed now towards a 4th lawsuit brought against SLohA because of MANBOD'S egregious errors in judgment.
Because these lawsuits may not be known to some or some may have forgotten, let me refresh this forums' readers' memories:
1) Lawsuit by a Latino employee under a previous manager, for racial discrimination.
2) Lawsuit by Lxxxxx Pxxxxx under current manager of SLR, for termination of his 28-year employment in SLR.
3) Lawsuit by Gxxxxx Sxxxxxxxx under current manager for the dog-mauling incident due to negligence of the board and/or manager and an employee of SLR.
4) POSSIBLY a 4TH lawsuit involving the MRTA issue and a resident or residents in SLR.
How is it that we keep getting involved in some type of litigation that appears to be initiated by either the board or manager or both and the real reason is that they are unqualified to hold these types of jobs and/or positions and keep putting our finances at risk by continuously making egregious errors in judgment because of their lack of experience, intelligence, and competence. SLR is a business, and a business cannot continue to run if it constantly wastes money, gets involved in lawsuits and fails to properly plan.
_______________________________________________________
September 22, 2013
I believe you answered your own question "egregious errors in judgment because of lack of experience, intelligence and competence."
Consider the "18/18 problem"--in order to legally work as a CAM (Community Association Manager), one needs only to be 18 years old and take 18 hours of coursework to pick up some working jargon such as "execute reserves". If you're not a known criminal, you pay a $228 fee, take a test and BAM! You can be in charge of a million dollar budget and make a lot of decisions/recommendations that will affect the financial wellbeing of hundreds of people.
IT's CAM license was issued on 6/28/11. I recall she started working in SLR in the summer of 2010. There is no provision in the statute for working as an "intern" or "trainee" under another licensee. Here are the applicable statutes:
468.432(1) A person sH all not manage or hold herself or himself out to the public as being able to manage a community association in this state unless she or he is licensed by the department in accordance with the provisions of this part.
468.432(2)(g) Any community association management firm or other similar organization agrees by being licensed that it will employ only licensed persons in the direct provision of community association management services as described in s. 468.431(3).
A licensed FIRM provider is even worse than 18/18--more like read, write and pay! The FIRM license only requires a $105 fee and an application; NO education is required. In order to offer property management services, the FIRM must do so through a CAM licensee.
So, it is possible that the highest level of working knowledge of and experience with property management is held by an 18 year old who managed to scrape together $228, slept through 18 hours of introductory instruction and was prepped by the course provider to pass the test. (I happen to know how this works because I acquired both a real estate license and a CAM license from Florida.)
It is all about the money. In many cases, professional property management is not the point of being in this business.
PS to the Manager who has been appending the Manager Reports with LCAM--there is NO LCAM---only CAM. CAM is the name of your license.
_____________________________________________________
September 23, 2013
My question to everyone is this :
Would you Hire an Unqualified person with no previous experience to personally manage your Property, Bank Accounts and Future decisions that require planning and coordination then let them learn by error @ your expense, allow them to lie and make statements that are false without question or accountability ?
In 99.999 cases the answer would be NO .
But for some reason SLR BOD blindly accepted this manager without a care of what experience she was bringing to the table.
I would have to place 100% of the blame on a Management Company for sending someone/anyone that is NOT QUALIFIED to handle the job of Manager .
This should have been looked at closer in the beginning , but I guess a spray tan and a tight skirt is qualification enough for a few men to decide this person is the best candidate and has a proven track record in managing a multi million dollar resort . A resort that 'Has more Reserves than any other Resort in the State of Florida '' as said by Mxxxx Hxxxxxx .
Start thinking and speaking up people, do we want to renew this Management Company Contract ?
The time is now to start looking for a new one .
_____________________________________________________
September 24, 2013
why do you think wanted to get this management contract so badly--because of the big $$$ in here; and knowing they didn't have a qualified candidate to send, instead, sent miss spray tan w/short skirt because sex sells--and these old men in here bought it...
______________________________________________
How much of the big $$$ is still in the Pot. Are our reserves, increasing or decreasing. A few years back we were adding to our reserve fund at a great pace. We had a very frugal BOD's, that looked at many ways to save money. The yearly HOA fees had to be increased some, because of years of no increases, and we did not have much of a reserve fund. Thirty plus years, and peanuts for reserves, so sad. It was amazing what that BODs accomplish to get SLR, back on track. I Thank You All!!!
That all changed when new members of the BOD fired one Management Co.(buy back their contract). So that the New BOD could hire current to manage our affairs.
Boy, what a bad choice... I hope people will start to seek the truth.
___________________________________________________
September 24, 2013
that's a very good question, Anonymous person above, and since "our reconciled financials" are up at the office for residents to look at, I wonder if the reserves amount is also available. I would think that it would be and if not, perhaps you could inquire and find that info, if you get it, could you report back on this forum and let us all know what that amount is. I'm sure more people than just you and me would like to know that figure as well.
It's just me thinking aloud, but, I believe the reason for those back to back annual HOA fee increases of $100, then $200 in SLR were attributed to the fact that the BOD knew back then, (in 2007) that the CC & R's were expired, so they figured that when people found out they wouldn't have to pay any fees, the BOD expected our accounts to dry up, but not as quickly if there was extra money in a reserve account...
Does anyone else think the same way here?
_____________________________________________
I do not think that the BOD back in 2007 had any idea that the CC & R's were expired. Just maybe, one BOD member may have known something about MRTA. But it would be almost impossible to keep something like expired CC & R under wraps. Someone on the BODs would leak it to a friend. Being some what on the inside, it was never mention. That BOD was not perfect, they made their share of mistakes. A couple of BOD members were not liked, but they were all about business, and trying to get the community back on the legal track. Some Fl. State Statues, had been violated for years, and changes are not always accepted. Just my 2 cents.
____________________________________________________
September 25, 2013
I believe that one BOD did know, and did in fact convey to the other BOD's what he found out when he went to Bartow. They knew that if that info got out, it would create chaos in the community, so in effort to avoid that from happening, made a deal w/that one BOD to leave the community and not disclose what he found out w/anyone.
I believe money made him "forget" what he found out, since his house went up for sale and was sold before the week was out. It was made easy for him to leave SLR w/out getting involved any further.
____________________________________________________
Is that a Glen Beck Conspiracy Theory? SLR was not that Member's type of social life. The plan was to always relocate to enjoy the finer things in life, Lake Wales did not provide those things. That I do know. The plan was to stay on the Board for one more year, to finish what had been started.
But, others wanted a New Management Company, right now. Which cost us maybe $100,000, plus or minus. We now had to pay current and buy back the contract with our Financial Co. That was a Dumb mistake, because that BOD member had wanted to finish, what was started. But O-No, the majority coalition of BOD, had different ideas. That decision cost us more than just $$$. We now have Weasels for BODs. They now have been Duped, and can not see it.
_______________________________________________
September 26, 2013
Unless there is credible evidence to the contrary, I cannot believe that anyone in SLR knew about expired covenants in 2007. I do believe that anyone who was familiar with FS720 could or should have been aware of the law that caused covenants to expire and been able to connect the dots.
Part III of FS720 is devoted entirely to revitalizing covenants. Indeed, when I was posting the statute on Mik's forum, I read that part and wondered if SLR's covenants were expired. At the time, I naively assured myself that the Board would NEVER allow that to happen and dismissed my concerns.
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