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Post by Dick Tracy on Nov 27, 2013 0:14:05 GMT -5
Hello, Did anyone go to Bingo last Fri. Nov. 22. If you did attend the Bingo Games, do you know who was the person that called the Bingo Games.. The reason I am asking, we had a friendly couple that was walking their dog stopped and talked for a while. The subject of Bingo came up, and this couple stated that they thought the Manager, called the Games last Fri. That is very hard to believe, but they said, she was introduced and called the games. I really think this is False, has to be. So did Anyone go to Bingo on Nov.22, and is this True or False?
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Post by Dick Tracy on Nov 27, 2013 23:40:43 GMT -5
Well It is True, Our Manager Called Bingo Games on Fri. Nov. 22. It is now very apparent, Our Bingo Committee and Overseer have not read The Florida Statue, Chapter 849 ; Gambling 849.0931; Bingo Authorized; conditions for conduct; permitted use of proceeds; and limitations.
0931; Section (8) Each person involved in the conduct of any Bingo game or instant Bingo must be a Resident of the Community where the organization is located and a bona fide Member of the Organization sponsoring such Game and may not be compensated in any way for operation of such game. The Non-profit Organization conducting the Games must designate up to Three Members of that organization to be in charge of the Games, one of whom sH all be present during the entire session at which the Games are conducted.
Note: Our Manager can't Call any Bingo Game. Period ! She is a Non-Resident & Non Member.
It is suggested that the BOD Member who is responsible for overseeing Bingo study the 2013 Florida Statutes, Title XLVI Crimes; Chapter 849 Gambling; section 849.0931. # (1-14)
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Post by Pammy B Attorney General's Off on Nov 28, 2013 6:33:33 GMT -5
"This is a flagrant violation and the $ donation to your corporation for infrastructure improvements--not a charity--and not a direct cost of the game--is another instance.
Does SLR need yet another hard lesson about the rules of conducting bingo games? What is wrong with your board to permit such a thing?"
Here is the text from Advisory Question/Opinion.
Question: 6. Is there an exception to s. 849.0931(8), F.S. (1992 Supp.), which provides that each person involved in the conduct of any bingo game must be a resident of the county where the organization is located and a bona fide member of the organization sponsoring the game, which permits a nonmember of the organization to conduct bingo where all the members of the organization are physically or mentally unable to conduct the games?
Advisory Opinion AGO 92-91
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Post by Law Abiding Citizen on Nov 28, 2013 7:16:34 GMT -5
There is no other choice but to have Bingo disbanded . Our Community does not need this Criminal element to be present any longer.
With all the other Rules that have been made up on the spot in SLR for some it is only fair that each and every person/s in SLR weather they live or work here should be held to the letter of the Law with no exception .
We do not need rampant hypocrisy from our Management, Committees , Clubs and Residents .
Rules are Rules and Laws are Laws they are not subject to certain individuals manipulating them to serve their own personal needs .
Either we live by the Law or we all become criminals .
I just hope that the Bingo organization in SLR hasn't opened the door for the Honorable Ms. B. to start snooping into what else is being done in our Resort that may be considered a Criminal Act .
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Post by Guest on Nov 28, 2013 7:52:22 GMT -5
I would think that in the best interest of the entire SLR community the Board of Directors should call an emergency special meeting and unanimously vote to not only suspend the Manager but also Bingo until it can be proven that no Regulations/Laws have been broken.
Management flagrantly violating written and published rules and regulations is NOT part of her contract .
Management Company Inc. should also be advised that this may well be their last contract in SLR as well .
Ignorance is no excuse of the Law . Saying that they just didn't know isn't going to fly .
I can only imagine how fast this gross misdeed will spread throughout the Community and damn well it should .
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Post by Jeopardy on Nov 28, 2013 8:59:58 GMT -5
The Board, IT and the Bingo committee have put the Bingo game in jeopardy for all.
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Nov 28, 2013 9:28:51 GMT -5
So, isn't ANYONE going to call the Sheriff and have this pathetic excuse of a manager arrested for breaking the law; many of us know this isn't the only violation of the law she's committed!
Or, is it just O.K. with everyone that she's called the sheriff to get 3 residents arrested for NO reason, yet when she breaks the law, nothing happens?
That's what's going on in here; so it must be ok for her to continually break the law and get away with it.
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Nov 28, 2013 9:52:16 GMT -5
Well It is True, Our Manager Called The Bingo Games on Fri. Nov. 22. It is now very apparent, Our Bingo Committee and Overseer have not read The Florida Statue, Chapter 849 ; Gambling 849.0931; Bingo Authorized; conditions for conduct; permitted use of proceeds; and limitations.
0931; Section (8) Each person involved in the conduct of any Bingo game or instant Bingo must be a Resident of the Community where the organization is located and a bona fide Member of the Organization sponsoring such Game and may not be compensated in any way for operation of such game. The Non-profit Organization conducting the Games must designate up to Three Members of that organization to be in charge of the Games, one of whom sH all be present during the entire session at which the Games are conducted.
Note: Our Manager can't Call any Bingo Games. Period ! She is a Non-Resident & Non Member.
It is suggested that the BOD Member who is responsible for overseeing Bingo study the 2013 Florida Statutes, Title XLVI Crimes; Chapter 849 Gambling; section 849.0931. # (1-14) MAYBE MANAGER SHOULD KNOW THAT IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE!
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Post by Anon Guest Person on Nov 28, 2013 10:01:01 GMT -5
A board member--our secretary is the Bingo Committee Chairperson--so, wouldn't you think that this person would have a handle on what they can/cannot do w/respect to running the bingo game in here? I believe we need this person to step down.
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Post by BagLady on Nov 28, 2013 10:20:41 GMT -5
Guess I'll weigh in here. I am so happy that I forgot that last Friday was a Friday and I missed Bingo. Had I been a witness to this, I would have been too upset to stay and play. I simply cannot entertain the thought of listening to that...person's voice...for 3 hours!
Someone will file a complaint with the Attorney General. We will not know who that is if a report can be filed "anonymously". If it cannot be anonymous, it is possible it will not be reported and this kind of law-breaking behavior will continue unchecked. Owners fear the retaliation that will follow by MANBOD.
Management has come in and brainwashed one of the few potential 'checks and balances' owners have to protect them against misdeeds--the Board of Directors. The BOD answers to IT and IT alone--not to the owners. SLohA is upside down and dysfunctional in the extreme. Association and park operations are controlled by IT, who takes every opportunity to assure everyone that "your Board is doing a fantastic job!" Owners know better--and repeating this empty assurance over and over does not change reality. The Board is functionally absent except in title.
IT has retaliated against whistleblowers in the past and will likely continue to do so because it works to silence the complainer in the short term. However, the law does protect whistleblowers who report crimes from retaliation. This is NOT a civil matter!
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Post by Elder Statesman on Nov 28, 2013 10:45:24 GMT -5
Is the tail really wagging the dog in our Park? How did this situation get to this point. We do have By-Laws to recall BODs, and request a special meeting for open discussion. What is the procedure to make that happen?
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Post by Fido on Nov 29, 2013 7:03:55 GMT -5
Woof! I am only a dog but I think it is clear that Leadership has proved rover and rover that it will not obey laws and needs to go to obedience training class.
It has ignored and falsified it's own governing Bylaw documents (ex: elections), it has falsely recorded Rules & Regs not ratified by members (ex: most rules), it has ignored Covenants or changed them to suit their purpose, ignored the Homeowner law FS720 (ex: secret meetings), failed to obey the MRTA FS712 statute (ex: failing to renew covenants properly and in a timely manner), and now, endangered Bingo by ignoring the Bingo statute FS849 (ex: illegal contribution of proceeds, operation of game and probably a few others...).
Woof! We need a new sign at 499 "MANBOD: Owner Rights Welcome Here--Poop Elsewhere"
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Post by Admin on Nov 29, 2013 8:35:19 GMT -5
RE: Special Meetings of BOD--here is the section from Bylaws/Article IV Members Meetings
Section 3. Notice of time and place of any meetings of the members sH all be mailed by the management of the corporation to each voting member of record at least thirty (30) days, but not more than sixty (60) days, prior to the date of the meeting.
The Florida Statute 720.306 is more liberal ie "only 10%" membership is required to call for a Special Meeting, but the statute defers to the governing documents:
(3) SPECIAL MEETINGS.—Special meetings must be held when called by the board of directors or, unless a different percentage is stated in the governing documents, by at least 10 percent of the total voting interests of the association. Business conducted at a special meeting is limited to the purposes described in the notice of the meeting.
This "description of purpose" is required by FS720:
(4) CONTENT OF NOTICE.—Unless law or the governing documents require otherwise, notice of an annual meeting need not include a description of the purpose or purposes for which the meeting is called. Notice of a special meeting must include a description of the purpose or purposes for which the meeting is called.
Logistically, one would have to have a Petition, with the purpose of the Special Meeting defined, signed by at least 158 voting owners (20% of owners). That Petition would have be hand-delivered or sent Certified Mail to the Board President. The Board would have to schedule a meeting and MAIL all owners with 30 days notice of the meeting date and give a specific purpose for the meeting. (The notice can be posted "in addition to" the mailing--not instead of.) The stated purpose is the only matter which can be discussed at the meeting.
If the Board does not want to address the issue, it simply needs to hold the meeting, reschedule the meeting and then adjourn it. It must reschedule the meeting for a specific date and time before adjourning it. I see nowhere in the statute where the BOD is prohibited from serial adjournments and thus, it can lawfully avoid discussing the issue indefinately. (However, this particular concern might be governed by FS617 which governs the conduct of the corporation and I did not look that up.)
In my opinion, this is not a fruitful way to go. The Board must be recalled and replaced-- OR-- the election must be cH allenged. Our current illegal elections block owners from reconstituting a Board quorum.
An election that is cH allenged with the state of Florida is subject to mandatory arbitration and is not difficult or expensive. The prevailing party gets their costs reimbursed.
In my non-legal opinion, a successfully-cH allenged election would require SLohA to hold a new election in strict adherence to the lawful provisions of our Bylaws (not the ones that past BOD's have messed with and eliminated or changed to suit their purpose or convenience). My guess is that the cH allenge would still not re-form the Board unless Florida decided to nullify any existing illegal 3 year terms still held by sitting directors. Can't even guess about that! (In my world, Florida would throw the book at SLohA for multiple and continuing violations and "clean house".)
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Post by Anonymous Environmentalist on Nov 29, 2013 11:55:29 GMT -5
Woof! I am only a dog but I think it is clear that Leadership has proved rover and rover that it will not obey laws and needs to go to obedience training class. It has ignored and falsified it's own governing Bylaw documents (ex: elections), it has falsely recorded Rules & Regs not ratified by members (ex: most rules), it has ignored Covenants or changed them to suit their purpose, ignored the Homeowner law FS720 (ex: secret meetings), failed to obey the MRTA FS712 statute (ex: failing to renew covenants properly and in a timely manner), and now, endangered Bingo by ignoring the Bingo statute FS849 (ex: illegal contribution of proceeds, operation of game and probably a few others...). Woof! We need a new sign at 499 "MANBOD: Owner Rights Welcome Here--Poop Elsewhere" This just proves what I've already known: even some dogs in here are way smarter than those running this place and running it into the ground...
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Post by Past Bingo committee member on Nov 29, 2013 13:20:20 GMT -5
So many thoughts running through my head as I read all this.
FIRST and foremost, a complaint must be made!! Having IT call SLR Bingo is ILLEGAL. Sadly I was not there to witness this or else I would have filed a complaint, not only to the State office but also Polk County Sheriff's office.
I shouldn't be, but this shocked me when I heard it. Management's agenda is to run SLR out of money, run the clubs out of money so there no funds left, then mgmt. can raise our dues. And when we have nothing left and SLR goes under, Mgmt will scoop in and buy SLR. Bingo sounds like this is part of the plan now. The mgr called bingo (and I heard she will be calling again tonight) so it could be disbanded for illegal practices....and then where do you think the Bingo monies will go to??? Right now I'm going to guess there is between $2-4,000 in that fund (if not more).
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Post by Undercover Brother on Nov 29, 2013 13:28:56 GMT -5
Will someone please go to Bingo and bring a Sm all caorder , when manager is calling numbers record it .
Remember , its not what you know but what you can PROVE .
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Post by Past Bingo Committee member on Nov 29, 2013 13:45:53 GMT -5
Will someone please go to Bingo and bring a caorder , when manager is calling numbers record it . Remember , its not what you know but what you can PROVE .
AMEN!! I was thinking the same thing - all one needs is a pic - use those smart phones people!!!
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Post by Bingo Inquirer on Nov 29, 2013 13:53:26 GMT -5
The Bingo Committee, the designated operators of the game, must log certain information and keep records including who called Bingo. Unless they intentionally falsify the record, it will be apparent to the investigator that a non-member of the association called the game, a violation of the Bingo statute. Additionally, there will be about 300 witnesses in attendance. There is nowhere to hide.
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Post by Past Bingo committee member on Nov 29, 2013 14:07:22 GMT -5
Depending on how one feels about IT & BOD, 299 of those witnesses can say "I don't recall" As for paperwork and logged info - there isn't such a thing. Just have to keep financial records due to this being a community bingo and not played in public nor advertised to the public.
PROOF is a photo or recording and that is easy peasy with those new smart phones!!
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Post by Fire MarsH all Bill on Nov 29, 2013 14:09:50 GMT -5
300 people at Bingo ? Does anyone know what the Max Capacity is in the room according to the Fire MarsH alls placard ?
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